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              • value (String, 17443 characters ) Brilliant essay from understanding Computer exp...
                • Brilliant essay from understanding Computer expert whose honest assesment and 'framing' of the Arguments for the 'Franchise', the Sanctity of the Vote, protection of the 'Ultimate Commons', the Equal Right to Vote, a concern for the integrity of a 'survey' that respects the will of the American Voter. Voting trust is the most basic, parlimentary way to petition OUR government for a 'redress of grievances' This writer states: "Since the only thing that holds our Representatives accountable to us is the power of our votes, if that disappears, so does their accountability.The incredible power of our American nation is contained solely within the American people’s votes, and by not returning that power to us they are able to quite literally Rule the World." Though he says Democrats, vote protectors and fraud pursuers are missing the oppurtunity to build broad non-partisan support, because, "You are missing the point when you describe the problem as “Bush stole the election from Kerry”, and Republicans are simply not going to get on board with that.” He cares about the pure essence of Representative Democracy,a security expert who is concerned about the voting infrastructure controlled by machines that "have been designed SPECIFICALLY to allow fraud then prevent it!" Republicans have been timid & blind so far because, "The reason that we Republicans haven’t seen it stems from the fact that it is not as obvious to us Republicans as it is the Democrats, since the pendulum of power moved in the way we wanted it to. We’re less likely to see the problem, since we tried to push the pendulum to the right, and the pendulum dutifully moved to the right. What we’re missing is the fact that maybe WE didn’t move it any more than a surfer moves the wave he rides in on by pointing his board towards the beach." I agree, THE NATION, THE FRANCHISE WOULD BE BETTER SERVED AND SAVED BY FRAMING THE DILEMNA AS SO: " The problem is not that John Kerry lost the election. That is just a SYMPTOM of the real problem, which is that the electorate may not be under the control of the American people. We need to re-frame this debate under different terms that EVERY American can understand and support.There appears that there was definitely a grab for power, but it was not the Republicans stealing power from the Democrats. If it happened, then a small group of Republicans stole the power from the American People as a whole." ALERT: "The great unknown right now is whether we still have enough power left to get it back,Ask yourself if we can ever come together and really make the world a better place if we keep following the path that we're on." VOTING is the barometer of The Peoples, goals, aspirations, Dreams, the path We SEEK! STEAL Our Vote? STEAL OUR Future! <!--break--> <img class="dada-image-center" src="http://rochester.indymedia.org/sites/default/files/migrate_dada/Be_TorchBearer.jpg"><br><table class="article" id="article-32227" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td class="body" colspan="2">***Empathy Training for Compassionate Conservatives: Why the<br />Democrats Are Still Whining About the Election (and Why Maybe We<br />Should Be, Too) by Chuck Herrin- American, Voter, Republican - In That Order<br /><br />(snippets)<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />I was talking to a dear friend of mine yesterday, and he asked me<br />what I had been up to. &quot;This voting machine security thing&quot; I told<br />him. &quot;It looks really bad. I can't believe how insecure these<br />systems are and how easy they would be to Hack.&quot;<br /><br />He chuckled and said to me, very sincerely, &quot;Well, just as long as<br />they go Republican, right? Heh, heh.&quot;<br /><br />There was an awkward moment of silence as I processed that.<br /><br /><br />*Now, I have always been a Republican and consider myself a<br />reasonably bright person, but what I can't understand is the<br />differences in the answer to what I think is a very simple question:<br /><br />&quot;If voter fraud is committed on behalf of your party, does the fact<br />that your party benefited from it make it OK?&quot;<br /><br /><br />*What happens when the results of a corrupt voting system DON'T go<br />your way? What's going to happen when your side DOESN'T win? Will<br />you be able to put the fact that our system is so easily<br />manipulated behind you and just &quot;get over it&quot;?<br /><br />As an American Voter, charged with the solemn duty of electing the<br />most powerful leaders in history, SHOULD you be able to?<br /><br />Some other people are less disinterested and are more focused on<br />actively attempting to discredit those who are concerned about the<br />huge weaknesses in our Voting Infrastructure. For the life of me,<br />I just CANNOT figure out why ANY Honest person would resist efforts<br />to ensure that our voting system is secure and provides vote<br />integrity.<br /><br />Now as for a DIShonest person, that's another matter. I can figure<br />THAT out just fine. More on that later.<br /><br /><br />*The simple fact is this: We can not have any sort of a real<br />Democracy when our voting infrastructure is weak and corrupt. The<br />only people who can win are the people who count the votes, and the<br />people who actually cast the votes have no say at all. This has<br />been known for quite some time, and in fact Josef Stalin weighed in<br />on the issue a while back when he said:<br /><br />&quot;Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the<br />votes decide everything.&quot;<br /><br /><br />*What if this company's Vote Tabulation Software were so poorly<br />designed that any Democratic election official, poll worker,<br />company insider, or Hacker activist could easily add, modify, or<br />delete hundreds of thousands of votes using Microsoft Office<br />without leaving a trace? What if the company knew about people<br />changing the votes database using this back door, and their own<br />internal memos reveal that they know about elections officials in<br />at least one county being &quot;Famous for it&quot;? And even though this<br />company makes ATM machines, they say it's too difficult to make<br />their voting machines &quot;reliably&quot; produce a paper trail? This makes<br />a full recount virtually impossible - would you accept that? What<br />if there were a Democratic Congressman from New York caught on<br />video with President Kerry before the results came in on election<br />day, saying &quot;It's over! The election's over - we won. It's all<br />over but the counting, and we'll take care of the counting.&quot;<br /><br />What if, given this voting system, John Kerry suddenly snatched<br />victory from the jaws of defeat, although the exit polls and<br />numerous other indicators predicted a strong victory for President<br />Bush? What if every single reported voting irregularity shows<br />gains for John Kerry? Every single one, including districts in<br />Ohio with 119% voter turnout suddenly favoring Kerry. And when<br />voting activists ask for Freedom of Information Act requests from<br />Volusia county, FL, they wind up finding the signed, dated<br />information they requested in the trash outside the building, while<br />the information they were given was unsigned and dated November 15?<br /><br /><br />*Would you be upset, or would you just &quot;get over it&quot; and fall into<br />line behind your new &quot;leader&quot;?<br /><br />Given what you now know, does the fact that people are questioning<br />the results of the election sound a little more reasonable than it<br />did a few minutes ago?<br /><br /><br />*Honestly, before this information about our voting system was<br />presented to you, were you dismissing the people who tried to bring<br />up the subject of Election Fraud as &quot;wack-jobs&quot;, &quot;whiners&quot;, or<br />&quot;sore losers&quot;? It's OK. That HAS been our Party Line. Again, it<br />doesn't make you a Bad Person to support your party, and this<br />information hasn't exactly been on the Front Page. But now that<br />you know about it and hopefully have verified the facts yourself,<br />what you decide to do now is how history and your children will<br />remember what kind of person you really were.<br /><br />* I know that eventually my fellow Republicans will do the right<br />thing and help to fix this flawed system, but to this point our<br />partisan politics have been blinding us decent conservative<br />Americans and preventing us from doing the right thing. I know<br />that once you see it, you, my fellow Republicans, will stand with<br />me and help us to fix this. I just know you'll do the right<br />thing...but I do have to admit that so far, the silence from the<br />Right has been deafening. Republicans have resisted listening to<br />the Democrat’s questions, and I think I know why.<br /><br />So far, the Democrats have been asking the wrong questions:<br /><br /><br />*Here’s a quote from my open letter to the Democrats:<br /><br />“It wouldn’t matter if George Bush bit the head off a puppy in<br />front of the UN - Republicans are not going to join in your fight<br />to overturn the election and inaugurate John Kerry. Conservatives<br />don’t want Kerry in office. For all of the reasons listed above,<br />plus a heavy dose of fear of Liberalism, most Conservatives will<br />not embrace the cause if the goal is to put Kerry in office,<br />regardless if there was fraud committed. You are missing the point<br />when you describe the problem as “Bush stole the election from<br />Kerry”, and Republicans are simply not going to get on board with<br />that.”<br /><br />Was the election stolen? So what do we do?<br /><br /><br />*We need to take a look at the REAL problem and re-frame the issue.<br />The problem is not that John Kerry lost the election. That is<br />just a SYMPTOM of the real problem, which is that the electorate<br />may not be under the control of the American people. We need to<br />re-frame this debate under different terms that EVERY American can<br />understand and support.<br /><br />There appears that there was definitely a grab for power, but it<br />was not the Republicans stealing power from the Democrats. If it<br />happened, then a small group of Republicans stole the power from<br />the American People as a whole.<br /><br />*The reason that we Republicans haven’t seen it stems from the fact<br />that it is not as obvious to us Republicans as it is the Democrats,<br />since the pendulum of power moved in the way we wanted it to.<br />We’re less likely to see the problem, since we tried to push the<br />pendulum to the right, and the pendulum dutifully moved to the<br />right. What we’re missing is the fact that maybe WE didn’t move it<br />any more than a surfer moves the wave he rides in on by pointing<br />his board towards the beach. Just because we pointed our board<br />that way doesn’t mean that we’re the ones controlling the tide.<br />What if we’re not in charge anymore, but most of us don’t really<br />know it yet? Instead, we’re a lot like a dog sticking his head out<br />of a pickup truck’s window – he feels like the fastest dog in the<br />world, never realizing that he’s not the one pushing himself so<br />quickly through the wind. This allows us to make out like bandits<br />in the short term, since our goals are at least temporarily aligned<br />with those actually providing the motion. For now, we can ride<br />happily along, wind whipping through our ears, feeling great and in<br />control. The problems don’t start until we try to get out of the<br />truck, or worse, cross the street in front of it. Then it becomes<br />painfully obvious who really has the power, versus who was just<br />along for the ride.<br /><br />One of the great and fundamental aspects of our Democracy is that<br />the pendulum of power is designed to swing back and forth, with<br />each party having control for a while, and then after a while<br />control changes as the pendulum swings the other direction, pushed<br />by the will of the American Voter. Think about it – Carter, then<br />Reagan / Bush, then Clinton, and then Bush, and then by most<br />accounts, the pendulum was apparently supposed to swing to Kerry.<br />But it didn’t. Why? What if rather than the will of the American<br />voter driving the direction of the pendulum, a small group has<br />figured out how to keep the pendulum from moving away from them and<br />towards the opposition. I’m going to quote Stalin again, since<br />apparently a small group of people figured out that what he said so<br />long ago really is true – “Those who cast the votes decide nothing.<br />Those who count the votes decide everything”. The cold cunning<br />behind those words gives me chills sometimes.<br /><br /><br />*NeoCons call &quot;Check&quot; on Democracy - Mate in Four?<br /><br />Since the only thing that holds our Representatives accountable to<br />us is the power of our votes, if that disappears, so does their<br />accountability. Why do you think that Karl Rove is predicting a<br />Republican Dynasty for the next 40 years? Because he may have<br />figured out how to freeze the pendulum of power, and he thinks that<br />we are either a) too stupid to see the massive consolidation of<br />power into the hands of a mighty few, or b) too weak and divided to<br />do anything about it.The incredible power of our American nation<br />is contained solely within the American people’s votes, and by not<br />returning that power to us they are able to quite literally Rule<br />the World.<br />The world has never seen a group as powerful as those<br />in control right now, and to think that they are operating with<br />nearly total impunity should frighten all of us to the very core of<br />our beings.<br /><br />This power is not rightfully theirs, however. It is ours, and they<br />are supposed to borrow it for 2, 4, or 6 years (depending on their<br />office) so that they can represent us and our interests. When that<br />time is up, the system is designed to return that power to us, and<br />then WE decide whether to give it back to that same person or give<br />it to someone else who we think will do a better job. But here’s<br />the new twist; what happens if they simply decide not to give that<br />power back? Who are they accountable to then? In that case, they<br />are accountable to no one but themselves, and what the American<br />Public wants does not matter anymore. Our interests are<br />irrelevant, and they are free to do what they want with our power,<br />our money, our Armed Forces, and our lives.<br /><br />Yes, it appears that the pieces are in place to steal a great deal<br />of power, but not from the Democrats. It will be (or has been)<br />stolen from ALL of us, and that is what the American people need to<br />know. The great unknown right now is whether we still have enough<br />power left to get it back, and it is critical for the survival of<br />our Country that we do everything possible with the power that we<br />still have within ourselves to try and do so.<br /><br /><br />*Ask yourself if we can ever come together and really make the<br />world a better place if we keep following the path that we're on.<br />Based on what you find in your research, ask yourself &quot;if our votes<br />haven't been stolen yet, do you have any reason to believe that<br />they won't be?&quot; It's not going to cost you anything, and nobody<br />will think less of you afterward regardless of what you decide, as<br />long as you have an informed opinion. Just stop and think about it<br />for a minute, and then decide what would be the right thing for you<br />to do, not as a Republican, not as a Democrat, but as an American<br />Citizen.<br /><br />Then, just take the next logical step, and do it.<br /><br />Chuck<br /><br />great idea to expand support=<br /><a href="http://www.chuckherrin.com/ConservativeEmpathy.htm"><font color="#2d3e63">http://www.chuckherrin.com/ConservativeEmpathy.htm</font></a><br /><br />*****<br />GREAT EDUCATIONAL FILMSTRIP FOR YOUR FRIENDS WHO WOULD LIKE TO<br />STAND UP FOR EVERYTHING THAT MATTERS AND SAVE OUR LEGITIMACY AND<br />TRUST AROUND THE WORLD, KEEPING UP THE FIGHT FOR VITALITY IN<br />dEMOCRACY, IS A WAY TO STAY SAFE AND OWN UP TO OUR STATED<br />PRINCIPLES, CAUSE.<br /><br />Great overview presentation= <a href="http://www.electionfraud2004.org/"><font color="#2d3e63">www.electionFraud2004.org</font></a><br /><br />spacebuddy008 at YR. service<br />Resisting the privatizing of Truth<br />when one senses the birthing of a New World, it is ones duty to<br />midwife betterment into existence in whatever way one is suited to<br />contribute,and HELP </td></tr><tr><td class="continue" colspan="2"><b>See also:</b><br /><a href="http://www.nerofiddled.blogspot.com/"><font color="#2d3e63">http://www.nerofiddled.blogspot.com</font></a><br /><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/"><font color="#2d3e63">http://www.democraticunderground.com</font></a><br /></td></tr></tbody></table>
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              • safe_value (String, 17359 characters ) <p>Brilliant essay from understanding Computer ...
                • <p>Brilliant essay from understanding Computer expert whose honest<br /> assesment and 'framing' of the Arguments for the 'Franchise', the<br /> Sanctity of the Vote, protection of the 'Ultimate Commons', the<br /> Equal Right to Vote, a concern for the integrity of a 'survey' that<br /> respects the will of the American Voter. Voting trust is the most<br /> basic, parlimentary way to petition OUR government for a 'redress<br /> of grievances' This writer states: "Since the only thing that holds<br /> our Representatives accountable to<br /> us is the power of our votes, if that disappears, so does their<br /> accountability.The incredible power of our American nation<br /> is contained solely within the American people’s votes, and by not<br /> returning that power to us they are able to quite literally Rule<br /> the World." Though he says Democrats, vote protectors and fraud<br /> pursuers are missing the oppurtunity to build broad non-partisan<br /> support, because, "You are missing the point<br /> when you describe the problem as “Bush stole the election from<br /> Kerry”, and Republicans are simply not going to get on board with<br /> that.” He cares about the pure essence of Representative<br /> Democracy,a security expert who is concerned about the voting<br /> infrastructure controlled by machines that "have been designed<br /> SPECIFICALLY to allow fraud then prevent it!" Republicans have been<br /> timid &amp; blind so far because, "The reason that we Republicans<br /> haven’t seen it stems from the fact<br /> that it is not as obvious to us Republicans as it is the Democrats,<br /> since the pendulum of power moved in the way we wanted it to.<br /> We’re less likely to see the problem, since we tried to push the<br /> pendulum to the right, and the pendulum dutifully moved to the<br /> right. What we’re missing is the fact that maybe WE didn’t move it<br /> any more than a surfer moves the wave he rides in on by pointing<br /> his board towards the beach." I agree, THE NATION, THE FRANCHISE<br /> WOULD BE BETTER SERVED AND SAVED BY FRAMING THE DILEMNA AS SO: "<br /> The problem is not that John Kerry lost the election. That is<br /> just a SYMPTOM of the real problem, which is that the electorate<br /> may not be under the control of the American people. We need to<br /> re-frame this debate under different terms that EVERY American can<br /> understand and support.There appears that there was definitely a<br /> grab for power, but it<br /> was not the Republicans stealing power from the Democrats. If it<br /> happened, then a small group of Republicans stole the power from<br /> the American People as a whole." ALERT: "The great unknown right<br /> now is whether we still have enough<br /> power left to get it back,Ask yourself if we can ever come together<br /> and really make the<br /> world a better place if we keep following the path that we're on."<br /> VOTING is the barometer of The Peoples, goals, aspirations, Dreams,<br /> the path We SEEK!<br /> STEAL Our Vote? STEAL OUR Future!</p> <!--break--><p><img class="dada-image-center" src="http://rochester.indymedia.org/sites/default/files/migrate_dada/Be_TorchBearer.jpg" /><br /><br /> </p><table class="article" id="article-32227" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td class="body" colspan="2">***Empathy Training for Compassionate Conservatives: Why the<br />Democrats Are Still Whining About the Election (and Why Maybe We<br />Should Be, Too) by Chuck Herrin- American, Voter, Republican - In That Order <p>(snippets)</p> <p>I was talking to a dear friend of mine yesterday, and he asked me<br />what I had been up to. "This voting machine security thing" I told<br />him. "It looks really bad. I can't believe how insecure these<br />systems are and how easy they would be to Hack."</p> <p>He chuckled and said to me, very sincerely, "Well, just as long as<br />they go Republican, right? Heh, heh."</p> <p>There was an awkward moment of silence as I processed that.</p> <p>*Now, I have always been a Republican and consider myself a<br />reasonably bright person, but what I can't understand is the<br />differences in the answer to what I think is a very simple question:</p> <p>"If voter fraud is committed on behalf of your party, does the fact<br />that your party benefited from it make it OK?"</p> <p>*What happens when the results of a corrupt voting system DON'T go<br />your way? What's going to happen when your side DOESN'T win? Will<br />you be able to put the fact that our system is so easily<br />manipulated behind you and just "get over it"?</p> <p>As an American Voter, charged with the solemn duty of electing the<br />most powerful leaders in history, SHOULD you be able to?</p> <p>Some other people are less disinterested and are more focused on<br />actively attempting to discredit those who are concerned about the<br />huge weaknesses in our Voting Infrastructure. For the life of me,<br />I just CANNOT figure out why ANY Honest person would resist efforts<br />to ensure that our voting system is secure and provides vote<br />integrity.</p> <p>Now as for a DIShonest person, that's another matter. I can figure<br />THAT out just fine. More on that later.</p> <p>*The simple fact is this: We can not have any sort of a real<br />Democracy when our voting infrastructure is weak and corrupt. The<br />only people who can win are the people who count the votes, and the<br />people who actually cast the votes have no say at all. This has<br />been known for quite some time, and in fact Josef Stalin weighed in<br />on the issue a while back when he said:</p> <p>"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the<br />votes decide everything."</p> <p>*What if this company's Vote Tabulation Software were so poorly<br />designed that any Democratic election official, poll worker,<br />company insider, or Hacker activist could easily add, modify, or<br />delete hundreds of thousands of votes using Microsoft Office<br />without leaving a trace? What if the company knew about people<br />changing the votes database using this back door, and their own<br />internal memos reveal that they know about elections officials in<br />at least one county being "Famous for it"? And even though this<br />company makes ATM machines, they say it's too difficult to make<br />their voting machines "reliably" produce a paper trail? This makes<br />a full recount virtually impossible - would you accept that? What<br />if there were a Democratic Congressman from New York caught on<br />video with President Kerry before the results came in on election<br />day, saying "It's over! The election's over - we won. It's all<br />over but the counting, and we'll take care of the counting."</p> <p>What if, given this voting system, John Kerry suddenly snatched<br />victory from the jaws of defeat, although the exit polls and<br />numerous other indicators predicted a strong victory for President<br />Bush? What if every single reported voting irregularity shows<br />gains for John Kerry? Every single one, including districts in<br />Ohio with 119% voter turnout suddenly favoring Kerry. And when<br />voting activists ask for Freedom of Information Act requests from<br />Volusia county, FL, they wind up finding the signed, dated<br />information they requested in the trash outside the building, while<br />the information they were given was unsigned and dated November 15?</p> <p>*Would you be upset, or would you just "get over it" and fall into<br />line behind your new "leader"?</p> <p>Given what you now know, does the fact that people are questioning<br />the results of the election sound a little more reasonable than it<br />did a few minutes ago?</p> <p>*Honestly, before this information about our voting system was<br />presented to you, were you dismissing the people who tried to bring<br />up the subject of Election Fraud as "wack-jobs", "whiners", or<br />"sore losers"? It's OK. That HAS been our Party Line. Again, it<br />doesn't make you a Bad Person to support your party, and this<br />information hasn't exactly been on the Front Page. But now that<br />you know about it and hopefully have verified the facts yourself,<br />what you decide to do now is how history and your children will<br />remember what kind of person you really were.</p> <p>* I know that eventually my fellow Republicans will do the right<br />thing and help to fix this flawed system, but to this point our<br />partisan politics have been blinding us decent conservative<br />Americans and preventing us from doing the right thing. I know<br />that once you see it, you, my fellow Republicans, will stand with<br />me and help us to fix this. I just know you'll do the right<br />thing...but I do have to admit that so far, the silence from the<br />Right has been deafening. Republicans have resisted listening to<br />the Democrat’s questions, and I think I know why.</p> <p>So far, the Democrats have been asking the wrong questions:</p> <p>*Here’s a quote from my open letter to the Democrats:</p> <p>“It wouldn’t matter if George Bush bit the head off a puppy in<br />front of the UN - Republicans are not going to join in your fight<br />to overturn the election and inaugurate John Kerry. Conservatives<br />don’t want Kerry in office. For all of the reasons listed above,<br />plus a heavy dose of fear of Liberalism, most Conservatives will<br />not embrace the cause if the goal is to put Kerry in office,<br />regardless if there was fraud committed. You are missing the point<br />when you describe the problem as “Bush stole the election from<br />Kerry”, and Republicans are simply not going to get on board with<br />that.”</p> <p>Was the election stolen? So what do we do?</p> <p>*We need to take a look at the REAL problem and re-frame the issue.<br />The problem is not that John Kerry lost the election. That is<br />just a SYMPTOM of the real problem, which is that the electorate<br />may not be under the control of the American people. We need to<br />re-frame this debate under different terms that EVERY American can<br />understand and support.</p> <p>There appears that there was definitely a grab for power, but it<br />was not the Republicans stealing power from the Democrats. If it<br />happened, then a small group of Republicans stole the power from<br />the American People as a whole.</p> <p>*The reason that we Republicans haven’t seen it stems from the fact<br />that it is not as obvious to us Republicans as it is the Democrats,<br />since the pendulum of power moved in the way we wanted it to.<br />We’re less likely to see the problem, since we tried to push the<br />pendulum to the right, and the pendulum dutifully moved to the<br />right. What we’re missing is the fact that maybe WE didn’t move it<br />any more than a surfer moves the wave he rides in on by pointing<br />his board towards the beach. Just because we pointed our board<br />that way doesn’t mean that we’re the ones controlling the tide.<br />What if we’re not in charge anymore, but most of us don’t really<br />know it yet? Instead, we’re a lot like a dog sticking his head out<br />of a pickup truck’s window – he feels like the fastest dog in the<br />world, never realizing that he’s not the one pushing himself so<br />quickly through the wind. This allows us to make out like bandits<br />in the short term, since our goals are at least temporarily aligned<br />with those actually providing the motion. For now, we can ride<br />happily along, wind whipping through our ears, feeling great and in<br />control. The problems don’t start until we try to get out of the<br />truck, or worse, cross the street in front of it. Then it becomes<br />painfully obvious who really has the power, versus who was just<br />along for the ride.</p> <p>One of the great and fundamental aspects of our Democracy is that<br />the pendulum of power is designed to swing back and forth, with<br />each party having control for a while, and then after a while<br />control changes as the pendulum swings the other direction, pushed<br />by the will of the American Voter. Think about it – Carter, then<br />Reagan / Bush, then Clinton, and then Bush, and then by most<br />accounts, the pendulum was apparently supposed to swing to Kerry.<br />But it didn’t. Why? What if rather than the will of the American<br />voter driving the direction of the pendulum, a small group has<br />figured out how to keep the pendulum from moving away from them and<br />towards the opposition. I’m going to quote Stalin again, since<br />apparently a small group of people figured out that what he said so<br />long ago really is true – “Those who cast the votes decide nothing.<br />Those who count the votes decide everything”. The cold cunning<br />behind those words gives me chills sometimes.</p> <p>*NeoCons call "Check" on Democracy - Mate in Four?</p> <p>Since the only thing that holds our Representatives accountable to<br />us is the power of our votes, if that disappears, so does their<br />accountability. Why do you think that Karl Rove is predicting a<br />Republican Dynasty for the next 40 years? Because he may have<br />figured out how to freeze the pendulum of power, and he thinks that<br />we are either a) too stupid to see the massive consolidation of<br />power into the hands of a mighty few, or b) too weak and divided to<br />do anything about it.The incredible power of our American nation<br />is contained solely within the American people’s votes, and by not<br />returning that power to us they are able to quite literally Rule<br />the World.<br />The world has never seen a group as powerful as those<br />in control right now, and to think that they are operating with<br />nearly total impunity should frighten all of us to the very core of<br />our beings.</p> <p>This power is not rightfully theirs, however. It is ours, and they<br />are supposed to borrow it for 2, 4, or 6 years (depending on their<br />office) so that they can represent us and our interests. When that<br />time is up, the system is designed to return that power to us, and<br />then WE decide whether to give it back to that same person or give<br />it to someone else who we think will do a better job. But here’s<br />the new twist; what happens if they simply decide not to give that<br />power back? Who are they accountable to then? In that case, they<br />are accountable to no one but themselves, and what the American<br />Public wants does not matter anymore. Our interests are<br />irrelevant, and they are free to do what they want with our power,<br />our money, our Armed Forces, and our lives.</p> <p>Yes, it appears that the pieces are in place to steal a great deal<br />of power, but not from the Democrats. It will be (or has been)<br />stolen from ALL of us, and that is what the American people need to<br />know. The great unknown right now is whether we still have enough<br />power left to get it back, and it is critical for the survival of<br />our Country that we do everything possible with the power that we<br />still have within ourselves to try and do so.</p> <p>*Ask yourself if we can ever come together and really make the<br />world a better place if we keep following the path that we're on.<br />Based on what you find in your research, ask yourself "if our votes<br />haven't been stolen yet, do you have any reason to believe that<br />they won't be?" It's not going to cost you anything, and nobody<br />will think less of you afterward regardless of what you decide, as<br />long as you have an informed opinion. Just stop and think about it<br />for a minute, and then decide what would be the right thing for you<br />to do, not as a Republican, not as a Democrat, but as an American<br />Citizen.</p> <p>Then, just take the next logical step, and do it.</p> <p>Chuck</p> <p>great idea to expand support=<br /><a href="http://www.chuckherrin.com/ConservativeEmpathy.htm"><font color="#2d3e63">http://www.chuckherrin.com/ConservativeEmpathy.htm</font></a></p> <p>*****<br />GREAT EDUCATIONAL FILMSTRIP FOR YOUR FRIENDS WHO WOULD LIKE TO<br />STAND UP FOR EVERYTHING THAT MATTERS AND SAVE OUR LEGITIMACY AND<br />TRUST AROUND THE WORLD, KEEPING UP THE FIGHT FOR VITALITY IN<br />dEMOCRACY, IS A WAY TO STAY SAFE AND OWN UP TO OUR STATED<br />PRINCIPLES, CAUSE.</p> <p>Great overview presentation= <a href="http://www.electionfraud2004.org/"><font color="#2d3e63">www.electionFraud2004.org</font></a></p> <p>spacebuddy008 at YR. service<br />Resisting the privatizing of Truth<br />when one senses the birthing of a New World, it is ones duty to<br />midwife betterment into existence in whatever way one is suited to<br />contribute,and HELP </p></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="continue" colspan="2"><b>See also:</b><br /><a href="http://www.nerofiddled.blogspot.com/"><font color="#2d3e63">http://www.nerofiddled.blogspot.com</font></a><br /><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/"><font color="#2d3e63">http://www.democraticunderground.com</font></a></td> </tr> </tbody> </table>
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            • Brilliant essay from understanding Computer expert whose honest assesment and 'framing' of the Arguments for the 'Franchise', the Sanctity of the Vote, protection of the 'Ultimate Commons', the Equal Right to Vote, a concern for the integrity of a 'survey' that respects the will of the American Voter. Voting trust is the most basic, parlimentary way to petition OUR government for a 'redress of grievances' This writer states: "Since the only thing that holds our Representatives accountable to us is the power of our votes, if that disappears, so does their accountability.The incredible power of our American nation is contained solely within the American people’s votes, and by not returning that power to us they are able to quite literally Rule the World." Though he says Democrats, vote protectors and fraud pursuers are missing the oppurtunity to build broad non-partisan support, because, "You are missing the point when you describe the problem as “Bush stole the election from Kerry”, and Republicans are simply not going to get on board with that.” He cares about the pure essence of Representative Democracy,a security expert who is concerned about the voting infrastructure controlled by machines that "have been designed SPECIFICALLY to allow fraud then prevent it!" Republicans have been timid & blind so far because, "The reason that we Republicans haven’t seen it stems from the fact that it is not as obvious to us Republicans as it is the Democrats, since the pendulum of power moved in the way we wanted it to. We’re less likely to see the problem, since we tried to push the pendulum to the right, and the pendulum dutifully moved to the right. What we’re missing is the fact that maybe WE didn’t move it any more than a surfer moves the wave he rides in on by pointing his board towards the beach." I agree, THE NATION, THE FRANCHISE WOULD BE BETTER SERVED AND SAVED BY FRAMING THE DILEMNA AS SO: " The problem is not that John Kerry lost the election. That is just a SYMPTOM of the real problem, which is that the electorate may not be under the control of the American people. We need to re-frame this debate under different terms that EVERY American can understand and support.There appears that there was definitely a grab for power, but it was not the Republicans stealing power from the Democrats. If it happened, then a small group of Republicans stole the power from the American People as a whole." ALERT: "The great unknown right now is whether we still have enough power left to get it back,Ask yourself if we can ever come together and really make the world a better place if we keep following the path that we're on." VOTING is the barometer of The Peoples, goals, aspirations, Dreams, the path We SEEK! STEAL Our Vote? STEAL OUR Future! <!--break--> <img class="dada-image-center" src="http://rochester.indymedia.org/sites/default/files/migrate_dada/Be_TorchBearer.jpg"><br><table class="article" id="article-32227" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td class="body" colspan="2">***Empathy Training for Compassionate Conservatives: Why the<br />Democrats Are Still Whining About the Election (and Why Maybe We<br />Should Be, Too) by Chuck Herrin- American, Voter, Republican - In That Order<br /><br />(snippets)<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />I was talking to a dear friend of mine yesterday, and he asked me<br />what I had been up to. &quot;This voting machine security thing&quot; I told<br />him. &quot;It looks really bad. I can't believe how insecure these<br />systems are and how easy they would be to Hack.&quot;<br /><br />He chuckled and said to me, very sincerely, &quot;Well, just as long as<br />they go Republican, right? Heh, heh.&quot;<br /><br />There was an awkward moment of silence as I processed that.<br /><br /><br />*Now, I have always been a Republican and consider myself a<br />reasonably bright person, but what I can't understand is the<br />differences in the answer to what I think is a very simple question:<br /><br />&quot;If voter fraud is committed on behalf of your party, does the fact<br />that your party benefited from it make it OK?&quot;<br /><br /><br />*What happens when the results of a corrupt voting system DON'T go<br />your way? What's going to happen when your side DOESN'T win? Will<br />you be able to put the fact that our system is so easily<br />manipulated behind you and just &quot;get over it&quot;?<br /><br />As an American Voter, charged with the solemn duty of electing the<br />most powerful leaders in history, SHOULD you be able to?<br /><br />Some other people are less disinterested and are more focused on<br />actively attempting to discredit those who are concerned about the<br />huge weaknesses in our Voting Infrastructure. For the life of me,<br />I just CANNOT figure out why ANY Honest person would resist efforts<br />to ensure that our voting system is secure and provides vote<br />integrity.<br /><br />Now as for a DIShonest person, that's another matter. I can figure<br />THAT out just fine. More on that later.<br /><br /><br />*The simple fact is this: We can not have any sort of a real<br />Democracy when our voting infrastructure is weak and corrupt. The<br />only people who can win are the people who count the votes, and the<br />people who actually cast the votes have no say at all. This has<br />been known for quite some time, and in fact Josef Stalin weighed in<br />on the issue a while back when he said:<br /><br />&quot;Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the<br />votes decide everything.&quot;<br /><br /><br />*What if this company's Vote Tabulation Software were so poorly<br />designed that any Democratic election official, poll worker,<br />company insider, or Hacker activist could easily add, modify, or<br />delete hundreds of thousands of votes using Microsoft Office<br />without leaving a trace? What if the company knew about people<br />changing the votes database using this back door, and their own<br />internal memos reveal that they know about elections officials in<br />at least one county being &quot;Famous for it&quot;? And even though this<br />company makes ATM machines, they say it's too difficult to make<br />their voting machines &quot;reliably&quot; produce a paper trail? This makes<br />a full recount virtually impossible - would you accept that? What<br />if there were a Democratic Congressman from New York caught on<br />video with President Kerry before the results came in on election<br />day, saying &quot;It's over! The election's over - we won. It's all<br />over but the counting, and we'll take care of the counting.&quot;<br /><br />What if, given this voting system, John Kerry suddenly snatched<br />victory from the jaws of defeat, although the exit polls and<br />numerous other indicators predicted a strong victory for President<br />Bush? What if every single reported voting irregularity shows<br />gains for John Kerry? Every single one, including districts in<br />Ohio with 119% voter turnout suddenly favoring Kerry. And when<br />voting activists ask for Freedom of Information Act requests from<br />Volusia county, FL, they wind up finding the signed, dated<br />information they requested in the trash outside the building, while<br />the information they were given was unsigned and dated November 15?<br /><br /><br />*Would you be upset, or would you just &quot;get over it&quot; and fall into<br />line behind your new &quot;leader&quot;?<br /><br />Given what you now know, does the fact that people are questioning<br />the results of the election sound a little more reasonable than it<br />did a few minutes ago?<br /><br /><br />*Honestly, before this information about our voting system was<br />presented to you, were you dismissing the people who tried to bring<br />up the subject of Election Fraud as &quot;wack-jobs&quot;, &quot;whiners&quot;, or<br />&quot;sore losers&quot;? It's OK. That HAS been our Party Line. Again, it<br />doesn't make you a Bad Person to support your party, and this<br />information hasn't exactly been on the Front Page. But now that<br />you know about it and hopefully have verified the facts yourself,<br />what you decide to do now is how history and your children will<br />remember what kind of person you really were.<br /><br />* I know that eventually my fellow Republicans will do the right<br />thing and help to fix this flawed system, but to this point our<br />partisan politics have been blinding us decent conservative<br />Americans and preventing us from doing the right thing. I know<br />that once you see it, you, my fellow Republicans, will stand with<br />me and help us to fix this. I just know you'll do the right<br />thing...but I do have to admit that so far, the silence from the<br />Right has been deafening. Republicans have resisted listening to<br />the Democrat’s questions, and I think I know why.<br /><br />So far, the Democrats have been asking the wrong questions:<br /><br /><br />*Here’s a quote from my open letter to the Democrats:<br /><br />“It wouldn’t matter if George Bush bit the head off a puppy in<br />front of the UN - Republicans are not going to join in your fight<br />to overturn the election and inaugurate John Kerry. Conservatives<br />don’t want Kerry in office. For all of the reasons listed above,<br />plus a heavy dose of fear of Liberalism, most Conservatives will<br />not embrace the cause if the goal is to put Kerry in office,<br />regardless if there was fraud committed. You are missing the point<br />when you describe the problem as “Bush stole the election from<br />Kerry”, and Republicans are simply not going to get on board with<br />that.”<br /><br />Was the election stolen? So what do we do?<br /><br /><br />*We need to take a look at the REAL problem and re-frame the issue.<br />The problem is not that John Kerry lost the election. That is<br />just a SYMPTOM of the real problem, which is that the electorate<br />may not be under the control of the American people. We need to<br />re-frame this debate under different terms that EVERY American can<br />understand and support.<br /><br />There appears that there was definitely a grab for power, but it<br />was not the Republicans stealing power from the Democrats. If it<br />happened, then a small group of Republicans stole the power from<br />the American People as a whole.<br /><br />*The reason that we Republicans haven’t seen it stems from the fact<br />that it is not as obvious to us Republicans as it is the Democrats,<br />since the pendulum of power moved in the way we wanted it to.<br />We’re less likely to see the problem, since we tried to push the<br />pendulum to the right, and the pendulum dutifully moved to the<br />right. What we’re missing is the fact that maybe WE didn’t move it<br />any more than a surfer moves the wave he rides in on by pointing<br />his board towards the beach. Just because we pointed our board<br />that way doesn’t mean that we’re the ones controlling the tide.<br />What if we’re not in charge anymore, but most of us don’t really<br />know it yet? Instead, we’re a lot like a dog sticking his head out<br />of a pickup truck’s window – he feels like the fastest dog in the<br />world, never realizing that he’s not the one pushing himself so<br />quickly through the wind. This allows us to make out like bandits<br />in the short term, since our goals are at least temporarily aligned<br />with those actually providing the motion. For now, we can ride<br />happily along, wind whipping through our ears, feeling great and in<br />control. The problems don’t start until we try to get out of the<br />truck, or worse, cross the street in front of it. Then it becomes<br />painfully obvious who really has the power, versus who was just<br />along for the ride.<br /><br />One of the great and fundamental aspects of our Democracy is that<br />the pendulum of power is designed to swing back and forth, with<br />each party having control for a while, and then after a while<br />control changes as the pendulum swings the other direction, pushed<br />by the will of the American Voter. Think about it – Carter, then<br />Reagan / Bush, then Clinton, and then Bush, and then by most<br />accounts, the pendulum was apparently supposed to swing to Kerry.<br />But it didn’t. Why? What if rather than the will of the American<br />voter driving the direction of the pendulum, a small group has<br />figured out how to keep the pendulum from moving away from them and<br />towards the opposition. I’m going to quote Stalin again, since<br />apparently a small group of people figured out that what he said so<br />long ago really is true – “Those who cast the votes decide nothing.<br />Those who count the votes decide everything”. The cold cunning<br />behind those words gives me chills sometimes.<br /><br /><br />*NeoCons call &quot;Check&quot; on Democracy - Mate in Four?<br /><br />Since the only thing that holds our Representatives accountable to<br />us is the power of our votes, if that disappears, so does their<br />accountability. Why do you think that Karl Rove is predicting a<br />Republican Dynasty for the next 40 years? Because he may have<br />figured out how to freeze the pendulum of power, and he thinks that<br />we are either a) too stupid to see the massive consolidation of<br />power into the hands of a mighty few, or b) too weak and divided to<br />do anything about it.The incredible power of our American nation<br />is contained solely within the American people’s votes, and by not<br />returning that power to us they are able to quite literally Rule<br />the World.<br />The world has never seen a group as powerful as those<br />in control right now, and to think that they are operating with<br />nearly total impunity should frighten all of us to the very core of<br />our beings.<br /><br />This power is not rightfully theirs, however. It is ours, and they<br />are supposed to borrow it for 2, 4, or 6 years (depending on their<br />office) so that they can represent us and our interests. When that<br />time is up, the system is designed to return that power to us, and<br />then WE decide whether to give it back to that same person or give<br />it to someone else who we think will do a better job. But here’s<br />the new twist; what happens if they simply decide not to give that<br />power back? Who are they accountable to then? In that case, they<br />are accountable to no one but themselves, and what the American<br />Public wants does not matter anymore. Our interests are<br />irrelevant, and they are free to do what they want with our power,<br />our money, our Armed Forces, and our lives.<br /><br />Yes, it appears that the pieces are in place to steal a great deal<br />of power, but not from the Democrats. It will be (or has been)<br />stolen from ALL of us, and that is what the American people need to<br />know. The great unknown right now is whether we still have enough<br />power left to get it back, and it is critical for the survival of<br />our Country that we do everything possible with the power that we<br />still have within ourselves to try and do so.<br /><br /><br />*Ask yourself if we can ever come together and really make the<br />world a better place if we keep following the path that we're on.<br />Based on what you find in your research, ask yourself &quot;if our votes<br />haven't been stolen yet, do you have any reason to believe that<br />they won't be?&quot; It's not going to cost you anything, and nobody<br />will think less of you afterward regardless of what you decide, as<br />long as you have an informed opinion. Just stop and think about it<br />for a minute, and then decide what would be the right thing for you<br />to do, not as a Republican, not as a Democrat, but as an American<br />Citizen.<br /><br />Then, just take the next logical step, and do it.<br /><br />Chuck<br /><br />great idea to expand support=<br /><a href="http://www.chuckherrin.com/ConservativeEmpathy.htm"><font color="#2d3e63">http://www.chuckherrin.com/ConservativeEmpathy.htm</font></a><br /><br />*****<br />GREAT EDUCATIONAL FILMSTRIP FOR YOUR FRIENDS WHO WOULD LIKE TO<br />STAND UP FOR EVERYTHING THAT MATTERS AND SAVE OUR LEGITIMACY AND<br />TRUST AROUND THE WORLD, KEEPING UP THE FIGHT FOR VITALITY IN<br />dEMOCRACY, IS A WAY TO STAY SAFE AND OWN UP TO OUR STATED<br />PRINCIPLES, CAUSE.<br /><br />Great overview presentation= <a href="http://www.electionfraud2004.org/"><font color="#2d3e63">www.electionFraud2004.org</font></a><br /><br />spacebuddy008 at YR. service<br />Resisting the privatizing of Truth<br />when one senses the birthing of a New World, it is ones duty to<br />midwife betterment into existence in whatever way one is suited to<br />contribute,and HELP </td></tr><tr><td class="continue" colspan="2"><b>See also:</b><br /><a href="http://www.nerofiddled.blogspot.com/"><font color="#2d3e63">http://www.nerofiddled.blogspot.com</font></a><br /><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/"><font color="#2d3e63">http://www.democraticunderground.com</font></a><br /></td></tr></tbody></table>
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          • safe_value (String, 17359 characters ) <p>Brilliant essay from understanding Computer ...
            • <p>Brilliant essay from understanding Computer expert whose honest<br /> assesment and 'framing' of the Arguments for the 'Franchise', the<br /> Sanctity of the Vote, protection of the 'Ultimate Commons', the<br /> Equal Right to Vote, a concern for the integrity of a 'survey' that<br /> respects the will of the American Voter. Voting trust is the most<br /> basic, parlimentary way to petition OUR government for a 'redress<br /> of grievances' This writer states: "Since the only thing that holds<br /> our Representatives accountable to<br /> us is the power of our votes, if that disappears, so does their<br /> accountability.The incredible power of our American nation<br /> is contained solely within the American people’s votes, and by not<br /> returning that power to us they are able to quite literally Rule<br /> the World." Though he says Democrats, vote protectors and fraud<br /> pursuers are missing the oppurtunity to build broad non-partisan<br /> support, because, "You are missing the point<br /> when you describe the problem as “Bush stole the election from<br /> Kerry”, and Republicans are simply not going to get on board with<br /> that.” He cares about the pure essence of Representative<br /> Democracy,a security expert who is concerned about the voting<br /> infrastructure controlled by machines that "have been designed<br /> SPECIFICALLY to allow fraud then prevent it!" Republicans have been<br /> timid &amp; blind so far because, "The reason that we Republicans<br /> haven’t seen it stems from the fact<br /> that it is not as obvious to us Republicans as it is the Democrats,<br /> since the pendulum of power moved in the way we wanted it to.<br /> We’re less likely to see the problem, since we tried to push the<br /> pendulum to the right, and the pendulum dutifully moved to the<br /> right. What we’re missing is the fact that maybe WE didn’t move it<br /> any more than a surfer moves the wave he rides in on by pointing<br /> his board towards the beach." I agree, THE NATION, THE FRANCHISE<br /> WOULD BE BETTER SERVED AND SAVED BY FRAMING THE DILEMNA AS SO: "<br /> The problem is not that John Kerry lost the election. That is<br /> just a SYMPTOM of the real problem, which is that the electorate<br /> may not be under the control of the American people. We need to<br /> re-frame this debate under different terms that EVERY American can<br /> understand and support.There appears that there was definitely a<br /> grab for power, but it<br /> was not the Republicans stealing power from the Democrats. If it<br /> happened, then a small group of Republicans stole the power from<br /> the American People as a whole." ALERT: "The great unknown right<br /> now is whether we still have enough<br /> power left to get it back,Ask yourself if we can ever come together<br /> and really make the<br /> world a better place if we keep following the path that we're on."<br /> VOTING is the barometer of The Peoples, goals, aspirations, Dreams,<br /> the path We SEEK!<br /> STEAL Our Vote? STEAL OUR Future!</p> <!--break--><p><img class="dada-image-center" src="http://rochester.indymedia.org/sites/default/files/migrate_dada/Be_TorchBearer.jpg" /><br /><br /> </p><table class="article" id="article-32227" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td class="body" colspan="2">***Empathy Training for Compassionate Conservatives: Why the<br />Democrats Are Still Whining About the Election (and Why Maybe We<br />Should Be, Too) by Chuck Herrin- American, Voter, Republican - In That Order <p>(snippets)</p> <p>I was talking to a dear friend of mine yesterday, and he asked me<br />what I had been up to. "This voting machine security thing" I told<br />him. "It looks really bad. I can't believe how insecure these<br />systems are and how easy they would be to Hack."</p> <p>He chuckled and said to me, very sincerely, "Well, just as long as<br />they go Republican, right? Heh, heh."</p> <p>There was an awkward moment of silence as I processed that.</p> <p>*Now, I have always been a Republican and consider myself a<br />reasonably bright person, but what I can't understand is the<br />differences in the answer to what I think is a very simple question:</p> <p>"If voter fraud is committed on behalf of your party, does the fact<br />that your party benefited from it make it OK?"</p> <p>*What happens when the results of a corrupt voting system DON'T go<br />your way? What's going to happen when your side DOESN'T win? Will<br />you be able to put the fact that our system is so easily<br />manipulated behind you and just "get over it"?</p> <p>As an American Voter, charged with the solemn duty of electing the<br />most powerful leaders in history, SHOULD you be able to?</p> <p>Some other people are less disinterested and are more focused on<br />actively attempting to discredit those who are concerned about the<br />huge weaknesses in our Voting Infrastructure. For the life of me,<br />I just CANNOT figure out why ANY Honest person would resist efforts<br />to ensure that our voting system is secure and provides vote<br />integrity.</p> <p>Now as for a DIShonest person, that's another matter. I can figure<br />THAT out just fine. More on that later.</p> <p>*The simple fact is this: We can not have any sort of a real<br />Democracy when our voting infrastructure is weak and corrupt. The<br />only people who can win are the people who count the votes, and the<br />people who actually cast the votes have no say at all. This has<br />been known for quite some time, and in fact Josef Stalin weighed in<br />on the issue a while back when he said:</p> <p>"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the<br />votes decide everything."</p> <p>*What if this company's Vote Tabulation Software were so poorly<br />designed that any Democratic election official, poll worker,<br />company insider, or Hacker activist could easily add, modify, or<br />delete hundreds of thousands of votes using Microsoft Office<br />without leaving a trace? What if the company knew about people<br />changing the votes database using this back door, and their own<br />internal memos reveal that they know about elections officials in<br />at least one county being "Famous for it"? And even though this<br />company makes ATM machines, they say it's too difficult to make<br />their voting machines "reliably" produce a paper trail? This makes<br />a full recount virtually impossible - would you accept that? What<br />if there were a Democratic Congressman from New York caught on<br />video with President Kerry before the results came in on election<br />day, saying "It's over! The election's over - we won. It's all<br />over but the counting, and we'll take care of the counting."</p> <p>What if, given this voting system, John Kerry suddenly snatched<br />victory from the jaws of defeat, although the exit polls and<br />numerous other indicators predicted a strong victory for President<br />Bush? What if every single reported voting irregularity shows<br />gains for John Kerry? Every single one, including districts in<br />Ohio with 119% voter turnout suddenly favoring Kerry. And when<br />voting activists ask for Freedom of Information Act requests from<br />Volusia county, FL, they wind up finding the signed, dated<br />information they requested in the trash outside the building, while<br />the information they were given was unsigned and dated November 15?</p> <p>*Would you be upset, or would you just "get over it" and fall into<br />line behind your new "leader"?</p> <p>Given what you now know, does the fact that people are questioning<br />the results of the election sound a little more reasonable than it<br />did a few minutes ago?</p> <p>*Honestly, before this information about our voting system was<br />presented to you, were you dismissing the people who tried to bring<br />up the subject of Election Fraud as "wack-jobs", "whiners", or<br />"sore losers"? It's OK. That HAS been our Party Line. Again, it<br />doesn't make you a Bad Person to support your party, and this<br />information hasn't exactly been on the Front Page. But now that<br />you know about it and hopefully have verified the facts yourself,<br />what you decide to do now is how history and your children will<br />remember what kind of person you really were.</p> <p>* I know that eventually my fellow Republicans will do the right<br />thing and help to fix this flawed system, but to this point our<br />partisan politics have been blinding us decent conservative<br />Americans and preventing us from doing the right thing. I know<br />that once you see it, you, my fellow Republicans, will stand with<br />me and help us to fix this. I just know you'll do the right<br />thing...but I do have to admit that so far, the silence from the<br />Right has been deafening. Republicans have resisted listening to<br />the Democrat’s questions, and I think I know why.</p> <p>So far, the Democrats have been asking the wrong questions:</p> <p>*Here’s a quote from my open letter to the Democrats:</p> <p>“It wouldn’t matter if George Bush bit the head off a puppy in<br />front of the UN - Republicans are not going to join in your fight<br />to overturn the election and inaugurate John Kerry. Conservatives<br />don’t want Kerry in office. For all of the reasons listed above,<br />plus a heavy dose of fear of Liberalism, most Conservatives will<br />not embrace the cause if the goal is to put Kerry in office,<br />regardless if there was fraud committed. You are missing the point<br />when you describe the problem as “Bush stole the election from<br />Kerry”, and Republicans are simply not going to get on board with<br />that.”</p> <p>Was the election stolen? So what do we do?</p> <p>*We need to take a look at the REAL problem and re-frame the issue.<br />The problem is not that John Kerry lost the election. That is<br />just a SYMPTOM of the real problem, which is that the electorate<br />may not be under the control of the American people. We need to<br />re-frame this debate under different terms that EVERY American can<br />understand and support.</p> <p>There appears that there was definitely a grab for power, but it<br />was not the Republicans stealing power from the Democrats. If it<br />happened, then a small group of Republicans stole the power from<br />the American People as a whole.</p> <p>*The reason that we Republicans haven’t seen it stems from the fact<br />that it is not as obvious to us Republicans as it is the Democrats,<br />since the pendulum of power moved in the way we wanted it to.<br />We’re less likely to see the problem, since we tried to push the<br />pendulum to the right, and the pendulum dutifully moved to the<br />right. What we’re missing is the fact that maybe WE didn’t move it<br />any more than a surfer moves the wave he rides in on by pointing<br />his board towards the beach. Just because we pointed our board<br />that way doesn’t mean that we’re the ones controlling the tide.<br />What if we’re not in charge anymore, but most of us don’t really<br />know it yet? Instead, we’re a lot like a dog sticking his head out<br />of a pickup truck’s window – he feels like the fastest dog in the<br />world, never realizing that he’s not the one pushing himself so<br />quickly through the wind. This allows us to make out like bandits<br />in the short term, since our goals are at least temporarily aligned<br />with those actually providing the motion. For now, we can ride<br />happily along, wind whipping through our ears, feeling great and in<br />control. The problems don’t start until we try to get out of the<br />truck, or worse, cross the street in front of it. Then it becomes<br />painfully obvious who really has the power, versus who was just<br />along for the ride.</p> <p>One of the great and fundamental aspects of our Democracy is that<br />the pendulum of power is designed to swing back and forth, with<br />each party having control for a while, and then after a while<br />control changes as the pendulum swings the other direction, pushed<br />by the will of the American Voter. Think about it – Carter, then<br />Reagan / Bush, then Clinton, and then Bush, and then by most<br />accounts, the pendulum was apparently supposed to swing to Kerry.<br />But it didn’t. Why? What if rather than the will of the American<br />voter driving the direction of the pendulum, a small group has<br />figured out how to keep the pendulum from moving away from them and<br />towards the opposition. I’m going to quote Stalin again, since<br />apparently a small group of people figured out that what he said so<br />long ago really is true – “Those who cast the votes decide nothing.<br />Those who count the votes decide everything”. The cold cunning<br />behind those words gives me chills sometimes.</p> <p>*NeoCons call "Check" on Democracy - Mate in Four?</p> <p>Since the only thing that holds our Representatives accountable to<br />us is the power of our votes, if that disappears, so does their<br />accountability. Why do you think that Karl Rove is predicting a<br />Republican Dynasty for the next 40 years? Because he may have<br />figured out how to freeze the pendulum of power, and he thinks that<br />we are either a) too stupid to see the massive consolidation of<br />power into the hands of a mighty few, or b) too weak and divided to<br />do anything about it.The incredible power of our American nation<br />is contained solely within the American people’s votes, and by not<br />returning that power to us they are able to quite literally Rule<br />the World.<br />The world has never seen a group as powerful as those<br />in control right now, and to think that they are operating with<br />nearly total impunity should frighten all of us to the very core of<br />our beings.</p> <p>This power is not rightfully theirs, however. It is ours, and they<br />are supposed to borrow it for 2, 4, or 6 years (depending on their<br />office) so that they can represent us and our interests. When that<br />time is up, the system is designed to return that power to us, and<br />then WE decide whether to give it back to that same person or give<br />it to someone else who we think will do a better job. But here’s<br />the new twist; what happens if they simply decide not to give that<br />power back? Who are they accountable to then? In that case, they<br />are accountable to no one but themselves, and what the American<br />Public wants does not matter anymore. Our interests are<br />irrelevant, and they are free to do what they want with our power,<br />our money, our Armed Forces, and our lives.</p> <p>Yes, it appears that the pieces are in place to steal a great deal<br />of power, but not from the Democrats. It will be (or has been)<br />stolen from ALL of us, and that is what the American people need to<br />know. The great unknown right now is whether we still have enough<br />power left to get it back, and it is critical for the survival of<br />our Country that we do everything possible with the power that we<br />still have within ourselves to try and do so.</p> <p>*Ask yourself if we can ever come together and really make the<br />world a better place if we keep following the path that we're on.<br />Based on what you find in your research, ask yourself "if our votes<br />haven't been stolen yet, do you have any reason to believe that<br />they won't be?" It's not going to cost you anything, and nobody<br />will think less of you afterward regardless of what you decide, as<br />long as you have an informed opinion. Just stop and think about it<br />for a minute, and then decide what would be the right thing for you<br />to do, not as a Republican, not as a Democrat, but as an American<br />Citizen.</p> <p>Then, just take the next logical step, and do it.</p> <p>Chuck</p> <p>great idea to expand support=<br /><a href="http://www.chuckherrin.com/ConservativeEmpathy.htm"><font color="#2d3e63">http://www.chuckherrin.com/ConservativeEmpathy.htm</font></a></p> <p>*****<br />GREAT EDUCATIONAL FILMSTRIP FOR YOUR FRIENDS WHO WOULD LIKE TO<br />STAND UP FOR EVERYTHING THAT MATTERS AND SAVE OUR LEGITIMACY AND<br />TRUST AROUND THE WORLD, KEEPING UP THE FIGHT FOR VITALITY IN<br />dEMOCRACY, IS A WAY TO STAY SAFE AND OWN UP TO OUR STATED<br />PRINCIPLES, CAUSE.</p> <p>Great overview presentation= <a href="http://www.electionfraud2004.org/"><font color="#2d3e63">www.electionFraud2004.org</font></a></p> <p>spacebuddy008 at YR. service<br />Resisting the privatizing of Truth<br />when one senses the birthing of a New World, it is ones duty to<br />midwife betterment into existence in whatever way one is suited to<br />contribute,and HELP </p></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="continue" colspan="2"><b>See also:</b><br /><a href="http://www.nerofiddled.blogspot.com/"><font color="#2d3e63">http://www.nerofiddled.blogspot.com</font></a><br /><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/"><font color="#2d3e63">http://www.democraticunderground.com</font></a></td> </tr> </tbody> </table>
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          • #markup (String, 17359 characters ) <p>Brilliant essay from understanding Computer ...
            • <p>Brilliant essay from understanding Computer expert whose honest<br /> assesment and 'framing' of the Arguments for the 'Franchise', the<br /> Sanctity of the Vote, protection of the 'Ultimate Commons', the<br /> Equal Right to Vote, a concern for the integrity of a 'survey' that<br /> respects the will of the American Voter. Voting trust is the most<br /> basic, parlimentary way to petition OUR government for a 'redress<br /> of grievances' This writer states: "Since the only thing that holds<br /> our Representatives accountable to<br /> us is the power of our votes, if that disappears, so does their<br /> accountability.The incredible power of our American nation<br /> is contained solely within the American people’s votes, and by not<br /> returning that power to us they are able to quite literally Rule<br /> the World." Though he says Democrats, vote protectors and fraud<br /> pursuers are missing the oppurtunity to build broad non-partisan<br /> support, because, "You are missing the point<br /> when you describe the problem as “Bush stole the election from<br /> Kerry”, and Republicans are simply not going to get on board with<br /> that.” He cares about the pure essence of Representative<br /> Democracy,a security expert who is concerned about the voting<br /> infrastructure controlled by machines that "have been designed<br /> SPECIFICALLY to allow fraud then prevent it!" Republicans have been<br /> timid &amp; blind so far because, "The reason that we Republicans<br /> haven’t seen it stems from the fact<br /> that it is not as obvious to us Republicans as it is the Democrats,<br /> since the pendulum of power moved in the way we wanted it to.<br /> We’re less likely to see the problem, since we tried to push the<br /> pendulum to the right, and the pendulum dutifully moved to the<br /> right. What we’re missing is the fact that maybe WE didn’t move it<br /> any more than a surfer moves the wave he rides in on by pointing<br /> his board towards the beach." I agree, THE NATION, THE FRANCHISE<br /> WOULD BE BETTER SERVED AND SAVED BY FRAMING THE DILEMNA AS SO: "<br /> The problem is not that John Kerry lost the election. That is<br /> just a SYMPTOM of the real problem, which is that the electorate<br /> may not be under the control of the American people. We need to<br /> re-frame this debate under different terms that EVERY American can<br /> understand and support.There appears that there was definitely a<br /> grab for power, but it<br /> was not the Republicans stealing power from the Democrats. If it<br /> happened, then a small group of Republicans stole the power from<br /> the American People as a whole." ALERT: "The great unknown right<br /> now is whether we still have enough<br /> power left to get it back,Ask yourself if we can ever come together<br /> and really make the<br /> world a better place if we keep following the path that we're on."<br /> VOTING is the barometer of The Peoples, goals, aspirations, Dreams,<br /> the path We SEEK!<br /> STEAL Our Vote? STEAL OUR Future!</p> <!--break--><p><img class="dada-image-center" src="http://rochester.indymedia.org/sites/default/files/migrate_dada/Be_TorchBearer.jpg" /><br /><br /> </p><table class="article" id="article-32227" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td class="body" colspan="2">***Empathy Training for Compassionate Conservatives: Why the<br />Democrats Are Still Whining About the Election (and Why Maybe We<br />Should Be, Too) by Chuck Herrin- American, Voter, Republican - In That Order <p>(snippets)</p> <p>I was talking to a dear friend of mine yesterday, and he asked me<br />what I had been up to. "This voting machine security thing" I told<br />him. "It looks really bad. I can't believe how insecure these<br />systems are and how easy they would be to Hack."</p> <p>He chuckled and said to me, very sincerely, "Well, just as long as<br />they go Republican, right? Heh, heh."</p> <p>There was an awkward moment of silence as I processed that.</p> <p>*Now, I have always been a Republican and consider myself a<br />reasonably bright person, but what I can't understand is the<br />differences in the answer to what I think is a very simple question:</p> <p>"If voter fraud is committed on behalf of your party, does the fact<br />that your party benefited from it make it OK?"</p> <p>*What happens when the results of a corrupt voting system DON'T go<br />your way? What's going to happen when your side DOESN'T win? Will<br />you be able to put the fact that our system is so easily<br />manipulated behind you and just "get over it"?</p> <p>As an American Voter, charged with the solemn duty of electing the<br />most powerful leaders in history, SHOULD you be able to?</p> <p>Some other people are less disinterested and are more focused on<br />actively attempting to discredit those who are concerned about the<br />huge weaknesses in our Voting Infrastructure. For the life of me,<br />I just CANNOT figure out why ANY Honest person would resist efforts<br />to ensure that our voting system is secure and provides vote<br />integrity.</p> <p>Now as for a DIShonest person, that's another matter. I can figure<br />THAT out just fine. More on that later.</p> <p>*The simple fact is this: We can not have any sort of a real<br />Democracy when our voting infrastructure is weak and corrupt. The<br />only people who can win are the people who count the votes, and the<br />people who actually cast the votes have no say at all. This has<br />been known for quite some time, and in fact Josef Stalin weighed in<br />on the issue a while back when he said:</p> <p>"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the<br />votes decide everything."</p> <p>*What if this company's Vote Tabulation Software were so poorly<br />designed that any Democratic election official, poll worker,<br />company insider, or Hacker activist could easily add, modify, or<br />delete hundreds of thousands of votes using Microsoft Office<br />without leaving a trace? What if the company knew about people<br />changing the votes database using this back door, and their own<br />internal memos reveal that they know about elections officials in<br />at least one county being "Famous for it"? And even though this<br />company makes ATM machines, they say it's too difficult to make<br />their voting machines "reliably" produce a paper trail? This makes<br />a full recount virtually impossible - would you accept that? What<br />if there were a Democratic Congressman from New York caught on<br />video with President Kerry before the results came in on election<br />day, saying "It's over! The election's over - we won. It's all<br />over but the counting, and we'll take care of the counting."</p> <p>What if, given this voting system, John Kerry suddenly snatched<br />victory from the jaws of defeat, although the exit polls and<br />numerous other indicators predicted a strong victory for President<br />Bush? What if every single reported voting irregularity shows<br />gains for John Kerry? Every single one, including districts in<br />Ohio with 119% voter turnout suddenly favoring Kerry. And when<br />voting activists ask for Freedom of Information Act requests from<br />Volusia county, FL, they wind up finding the signed, dated<br />information they requested in the trash outside the building, while<br />the information they were given was unsigned and dated November 15?</p> <p>*Would you be upset, or would you just "get over it" and fall into<br />line behind your new "leader"?</p> <p>Given what you now know, does the fact that people are questioning<br />the results of the election sound a little more reasonable than it<br />did a few minutes ago?</p> <p>*Honestly, before this information about our voting system was<br />presented to you, were you dismissing the people who tried to bring<br />up the subject of Election Fraud as "wack-jobs", "whiners", or<br />"sore losers"? It's OK. That HAS been our Party Line. Again, it<br />doesn't make you a Bad Person to support your party, and this<br />information hasn't exactly been on the Front Page. But now that<br />you know about it and hopefully have verified the facts yourself,<br />what you decide to do now is how history and your children will<br />remember what kind of person you really were.</p> <p>* I know that eventually my fellow Republicans will do the right<br />thing and help to fix this flawed system, but to this point our<br />partisan politics have been blinding us decent conservative<br />Americans and preventing us from doing the right thing. I know<br />that once you see it, you, my fellow Republicans, will stand with<br />me and help us to fix this. I just know you'll do the right<br />thing...but I do have to admit that so far, the silence from the<br />Right has been deafening. Republicans have resisted listening to<br />the Democrat’s questions, and I think I know why.</p> <p>So far, the Democrats have been asking the wrong questions:</p> <p>*Here’s a quote from my open letter to the Democrats:</p> <p>“It wouldn’t matter if George Bush bit the head off a puppy in<br />front of the UN - Republicans are not going to join in your fight<br />to overturn the election and inaugurate John Kerry. Conservatives<br />don’t want Kerry in office. For all of the reasons listed above,<br />plus a heavy dose of fear of Liberalism, most Conservatives will<br />not embrace the cause if the goal is to put Kerry in office,<br />regardless if there was fraud committed. You are missing the point<br />when you describe the problem as “Bush stole the election from<br />Kerry”, and Republicans are simply not going to get on board with<br />that.”</p> <p>Was the election stolen? So what do we do?</p> <p>*We need to take a look at the REAL problem and re-frame the issue.<br />The problem is not that John Kerry lost the election. That is<br />just a SYMPTOM of the real problem, which is that the electorate<br />may not be under the control of the American people. We need to<br />re-frame this debate under different terms that EVERY American can<br />understand and support.</p> <p>There appears that there was definitely a grab for power, but it<br />was not the Republicans stealing power from the Democrats. If it<br />happened, then a small group of Republicans stole the power from<br />the American People as a whole.</p> <p>*The reason that we Republicans haven’t seen it stems from the fact<br />that it is not as obvious to us Republicans as it is the Democrats,<br />since the pendulum of power moved in the way we wanted it to.<br />We’re less likely to see the problem, since we tried to push the<br />pendulum to the right, and the pendulum dutifully moved to the<br />right. What we’re missing is the fact that maybe WE didn’t move it<br />any more than a surfer moves the wave he rides in on by pointing<br />his board towards the beach. Just because we pointed our board<br />that way doesn’t mean that we’re the ones controlling the tide.<br />What if we’re not in charge anymore, but most of us don’t really<br />know it yet? Instead, we’re a lot like a dog sticking his head out<br />of a pickup truck’s window – he feels like the fastest dog in the<br />world, never realizing that he’s not the one pushing himself so<br />quickly through the wind. This allows us to make out like bandits<br />in the short term, since our goals are at least temporarily aligned<br />with those actually providing the motion. For now, we can ride<br />happily along, wind whipping through our ears, feeling great and in<br />control. The problems don’t start until we try to get out of the<br />truck, or worse, cross the street in front of it. Then it becomes<br />painfully obvious who really has the power, versus who was just<br />along for the ride.</p> <p>One of the great and fundamental aspects of our Democracy is that<br />the pendulum of power is designed to swing back and forth, with<br />each party having control for a while, and then after a while<br />control changes as the pendulum swings the other direction, pushed<br />by the will of the American Voter. Think about it – Carter, then<br />Reagan / Bush, then Clinton, and then Bush, and then by most<br />accounts, the pendulum was apparently supposed to swing to Kerry.<br />But it didn’t. Why? What if rather than the will of the American<br />voter driving the direction of the pendulum, a small group has<br />figured out how to keep the pendulum from moving away from them and<br />towards the opposition. I’m going to quote Stalin again, since<br />apparently a small group of people figured out that what he said so<br />long ago really is true – “Those who cast the votes decide nothing.<br />Those who count the votes decide everything”. The cold cunning<br />behind those words gives me chills sometimes.</p> <p>*NeoCons call "Check" on Democracy - Mate in Four?</p> <p>Since the only thing that holds our Representatives accountable to<br />us is the power of our votes, if that disappears, so does their<br />accountability. Why do you think that Karl Rove is predicting a<br />Republican Dynasty for the next 40 years? Because he may have<br />figured out how to freeze the pendulum of power, and he thinks that<br />we are either a) too stupid to see the massive consolidation of<br />power into the hands of a mighty few, or b) too weak and divided to<br />do anything about it.The incredible power of our American nation<br />is contained solely within the American people’s votes, and by not<br />returning that power to us they are able to quite literally Rule<br />the World.<br />The world has never seen a group as powerful as those<br />in control right now, and to think that they are operating with<br />nearly total impunity should frighten all of us to the very core of<br />our beings.</p> <p>This power is not rightfully theirs, however. It is ours, and they<br />are supposed to borrow it for 2, 4, or 6 years (depending on their<br />office) so that they can represent us and our interests. When that<br />time is up, the system is designed to return that power to us, and<br />then WE decide whether to give it back to that same person or give<br />it to someone else who we think will do a better job. But here’s<br />the new twist; what happens if they simply decide not to give that<br />power back? Who are they accountable to then? In that case, they<br />are accountable to no one but themselves, and what the American<br />Public wants does not matter anymore. Our interests are<br />irrelevant, and they are free to do what they want with our power,<br />our money, our Armed Forces, and our lives.</p> <p>Yes, it appears that the pieces are in place to steal a great deal<br />of power, but not from the Democrats. It will be (or has been)<br />stolen from ALL of us, and that is what the American people need to<br />know. The great unknown right now is whether we still have enough<br />power left to get it back, and it is critical for the survival of<br />our Country that we do everything possible with the power that we<br />still have within ourselves to try and do so.</p> <p>*Ask yourself if we can ever come together and really make the<br />world a better place if we keep following the path that we're on.<br />Based on what you find in your research, ask yourself "if our votes<br />haven't been stolen yet, do you have any reason to believe that<br />they won't be?" It's not going to cost you anything, and nobody<br />will think less of you afterward regardless of what you decide, as<br />long as you have an informed opinion. Just stop and think about it<br />for a minute, and then decide what would be the right thing for you<br />to do, not as a Republican, not as a Democrat, but as an American<br />Citizen.</p> <p>Then, just take the next logical step, and do it.</p> <p>Chuck</p> <p>great idea to expand support=<br /><a href="http://www.chuckherrin.com/ConservativeEmpathy.htm"><font color="#2d3e63">http://www.chuckherrin.com/ConservativeEmpathy.htm</font></a></p> <p>*****<br />GREAT EDUCATIONAL FILMSTRIP FOR YOUR FRIENDS WHO WOULD LIKE TO<br />STAND UP FOR EVERYTHING THAT MATTERS AND SAVE OUR LEGITIMACY AND<br />TRUST AROUND THE WORLD, KEEPING UP THE FIGHT FOR VITALITY IN<br />dEMOCRACY, IS A WAY TO STAY SAFE AND OWN UP TO OUR STATED<br />PRINCIPLES, CAUSE.</p> <p>Great overview presentation= <a href="http://www.electionfraud2004.org/"><font color="#2d3e63">www.electionFraud2004.org</font></a></p> <p>spacebuddy008 at YR. service<br />Resisting the privatizing of Truth<br />when one senses the birthing of a New World, it is ones duty to<br />midwife betterment into existence in whatever way one is suited to<br />contribute,and HELP </p></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="continue" colspan="2"><b>See also:</b><br /><a href="http://www.nerofiddled.blogspot.com/"><font color="#2d3e63">http://www.nerofiddled.blogspot.com</font></a><br /><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/"><font color="#2d3e63">http://www.democraticunderground.com</font></a></td> </tr> </tbody> </table>
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We came to this decision after we had repeated spam posted to our website that caused difficulty with the website's functioning.  We will still have open publishing and keep our site as nonrestrictive and accessible as possible.

If you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to contact us.  As before, we will continue to be Rochester's grassroots news and education site.  Thank you for your continued support and remember, "Don't hate the media, be the media!"

Editorial Meeting Times / Locations

The Rochester Independent Media Center (R-IMC) is no longer meeting regularly.
We will set up meetings by necessity and appointment. Please contact us at rochesterindymedia@rocus.org.
Our home is still the Flying Squirrel Community Space at 285 Clarissa St. Occasionally, we hold meetings at RCTV located at 21 Gorham Street.

Global IMC Network

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