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Rochester's Anti-Racist Movement Visits WHAM

The Rochester Anti-Racist Movement (ARM) went to the offices of WHAM radio today to talk with the station management about Bob Lonsberry's recent racist, sexist and classist remarks. After the meeting ARM gave a press conference, calling for him to be removed from the air.

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ARM released a position statement stating their beliefs on Lonsberry. Below is a summary of ARM's position, although I would encourage everyone to read the entire document.

The recent (June 10, 2008) comments made by Bob Lonsberry on WHAM 1180 were an unacceptable continuation of Mr. Lonsberry’s history of on- air racism, sexism and classism. For far too long Mr. Lonsberry has been permitted to cross the boundaries of decent discourse. It is apparent that he feels entirely comfortable, to say nothing of completely justified, in making hateful, hurtful, and erroneous statements about people of color, women, and people who are poor. His expressed views both tap and reinforce an undercurrent of hostility, which serves to perpetuate the social divisions of our community and calls to question our community’s resolve to eradicate those divisions.

Therefore, it is with a high degree of resolve that ARM calls for the removal of Bob Lonsberry from the public airwaves. The offensive content of Mr. Lonsberry’s remarks will not be allowed to hang, unchallenged, in our communal air. No individual should have the sense of entitlement that permits them to continually pollute that communal air.

Specifically, we are outraged that Mr. Lonsberry believes he can, with impunity:

  • Disrespect young women who have overcome obstacles by stereotyping them as immoral, while choosing to ignore the varied circumstances, both social and individual, that created those obstacles in the first place.
  • Demean these young women by the use of blatantly sexist language.
  • Disparage the hard work of African American students by arbitrarily de-valuing the considerable achievement of attaining a grade B average.

Both at the meeting and at the press conference ARM called for a community boycott of WHAM and the sponsors of Lonsberry's show. In addition, there are several ways that people can get involved:

  • If you are a member of a group, arrange a meeting with WHAM.
  • File an FCC complaint
  • Help us get a list of the Lonsberry's sponsors. If you know a business that advertises on Lonsberry's show, please post it as a comment to this article.

The meeting was attended by four representatives from WHAM. Almost all of the talking was done by Karen Carey, who is the vice president for Clear Channel. Clear Channel owns WHAM along with 6(!) other stations in the Rochester market.

Karen began the meeting by inviting ARM to take part in a dialogue about Lonsberry's remarks. However it quickly became clear that they were not interested in a dialog at all. They were willing to hear what ARM members had to say but the WHAM management consistently attempted to avoid saying anything in response. This ensured the conversation never got off the ground.

However, ARM members were insistent on getting WHAM to take a position. After considerable pressure, the WHAM representatives eventually explained where they stand:

  • They do not believe that Lonsberry's remarks were racist, sexist or classist.
  • They do not even believe that any of Lonsberry's remarks reinforce racial stereotypes

One interesting part of the conversation is that the WHAM managers gave a certain amount of lip service towards anti-racism and racial justice. At one point of the meeting Karen Carey said that she's involved in groups working on the issues that ARM was bringing to the table. ARM members explained how this is one of the big problems when dealing with racism. White people will often try to work against racism in their personal lives, but simultaneously will work for institutions that promote racism. ARM members pointed out that part of white privilege is being able to pick and choose when they support people of color. ARM members invited the WHAM representatives at the table to truly and fully join the fight for racial justice.

 
 

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Re: Rochester's Anti-Racist Movement Visits WHAM

How is it erroneous to claim that everyone in society is better off when unmarried teenagers are not having intercourse and getting pregnant?

Unplanned pregnancies by girls who are not mature enough to be raising children by themselves nor the unspoken reality that it is typically older men who are "fathering"/abusing the mothers is the NUMBER ONE cause of cyclical poverty.

For all the claims of speaking truth to power, you seem to be ignoring the real truth. Listen to the actual broadcast rather than hate-filled anti-freedom rants by the self-serving social action community.

I didn't know that it was classist to believe that young girls should be able to become adults without being used and impreganated by an older man who has no intention of fulfilling his responsibility to care for his own children.

All the social programs in the world will not (and have not) made one bit of difference until self-destructive actions cease.

Listen to the ENTIRE segment. Black, White, Brown, Yellow, you'll see that Bob Lonsberry is calling for everyone to reach their potential by not participating in actions that a youth is completely unprepared for and incapable of excelling.

And ALL scholars should be celebrated.

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character"

Read the speech, and then tell me we haven't made progress AND that your feelings should determine if someone is fired instead of realizing the First Amendment protects ALL speech, including that critical of a government school as well as speech you may disagree with.
 

Re: Re: Rochester's Anti-Racist Movement Visits WHAM

You have called for a boycott of Lonsbury sponsors. I would like to join this boycott, but I never listen to his show, so I don't know who they are. There are probably many others like me. Do you have a list of the sponsors? Be sure to tell everyone that when they go to a store and do not buy that product, they tell the store manager WHY they are not buying it. This makes it much more effective.
Carl Romeo
247-1543
 

Re: Re: Re: Rochester's Anti-Racist Movement Visits WHAM

Hi Carl-

Thanks for your interest. If you would like more information about the Bob Lonsberry boycott, please contact fireboblonsberry (at) rocus.org

We will be making a website shortly, as well.
 

Re: Re: Rochester's Anti-Racist Movement Visits WHAM

1) Let's get the 1st amendment issue out of the table right now. No one is trying to take away Lonsberry's 1st amendment rights. We are demanding he be fired because, as a talk show host, he holds a *privileged* position in terms of his views. Broadcasting your (hate-filled, divisive, ignorant) views to a large segment in western NY is not a right.

2) You really should read the position paper. Then you would have understood the most glaring fallacy in your argument: not all of the girls at the young mothers program *chose* to have sex. Furthermore, no one is celebrating or encouraging teenage pregnancy. People are celebrating the hard work and dedication the women have given.

3) Again, read the position statement. It explains why ARM believes Lonsberry's statements were racist, sexist and classist. If you don't agree with the statements, then explain why. When you say, "I don't know what is classist...", I see that as being willfully ignorant, because the paper lays things out pretty clearly. Maybe I'm reading into things too much though, please prove me wrong.
 

Re: Re: Rochester's Anti-Racist Movement Visits WHAM

"How is it erroneous to claim that everyone in society is better off when unmarried teenagers are not having intercourse and getting pregnant?"

I'm going to try to unpack this a little bit. It sounds like you're saying you think having sex means someone is going to get pregnant. If I'm wrong, please tell me. Of course, having sex gives a chance of getting pregnant, but wearing condoms, and using hormonal birth control make it much less likely. Yes, these girls would not be getting pregnant if they were not having sex, but lots of people have sex without getting pregnant. So, the problem isn't unmarried teenagers having intercourse. On top of that, there is an assumption that all of these women chose to have sex, which is factually incorrect.

I don't think you're going to find anybody arguing that during high school is not the most choice time to get pregnant. However, to shame women who are getting pregnant, (I didn't hear him say one word about the men behind the pregnancy, mind you), by telling them to keep their legs closed, and continuing with far worse statements, is not the same as saying "It would be better for people if they did not get pregnant in high school." I think if he made that statement, there wouldn't be a call for his firing.

"I didn't know that it was classist to believe that young girls should be able to become adults without being used and impreganated by an older man who has no intention of fulfilling his responsibility to care for his own children."

I really think you're being fooled by Lonsberry if that's what you're hearing from him. He never mentioned men's responsibility. He doesn't care about holding men accountable, he cares about shaming women. And let me tell you, from what I understand, there is at least one case of a woman who was raped, decided to keep the child, and continued high school through it all. And he is putting her down for not keeping her legs closed. He doesn't know these girls! He doesn't know their stories! He is making assumptions and talking about things he has no knowledge of.

Finally, people keep mentioning freedom of speech. He has a right to say whatever he wants, true. He doesn't have a 'right' to be on the radio. That's a choice a company is making: they're choosing to hire him, and they can choose to fire him. Please don't confuse this as someone saying he doesn't have the right to speak his mind. We're just exercising our right to speak our minds, and moreso, to make it so people's racist, classist, and sexist assumptions are not validated over the airwaves. And we will continue to work until it happens.
 

Re: Rochester's Anti-Racist Movement Visits WHAM

[disclaimer, it's the first poster again)
How can you have racial justice when the public schools that spend the most money are simultaneously the least racially integrated and set the lowest academic and moral standards?

Stop allying yourself with the public employee unions that are blocking a county school district, or, heaven forbid, free choice vouchers.

Ask yourself if the Rochester City School District believes it is accountable to students, parents, and the community as a whole? Instead of trying to get a private citizen fired, maybe we should demand a mass firing of incompetent management in the RCSD.

39% graduation rate? The CFE lawsuit was won, the district got more money, and it's still not going to help any students but it sure as hell will further enrich many adults.
 

Re: Re: Rochester's Anti-Racist Movement Visits WHAM

It sounds like we have some common ground. Several anti-racist activists I've spoken with, myself included, are not fond of the way the extra moneys are being spent. Particularly, many people wonder about 85% of teachers being white and middle class, while they are teaching working class Black youth.

I'm not sure what you mean when you say the public schools are the least racially integrated and set the lowest academic and moral standards, however. I am confused, actually. How can these public schools have the least racial diversity, when there are other public schools supporting towns and villages that are literally almost 100% white? I find this unlikely. Can you show me information backing up your statement?

I am also curious how you are analyzing the moral and academic standards for the school systems.

I'm not trying to be rude, but I think that you're looking at things in a way that isn't useful. Let's find where the problems begin, and work on them, instead of making accusatory statements about the students as Lonsberry has done.

I suggest learning more about the impact of culturally incompatible education to lead to analysis that will bring change.

I myself am a proponent of alternative education models, and to be sure, I think they can be much more effective than the test-based rigid education models many teachers use in public school systems. However, most people do not create alternative schools for low-income students, so the question becomes how do we improve the public education system, while working within it?

One simple answer, that can be difficult in practice, is to understand the culture of the people being taught, instead of disregarding it and acting as though being the teacher means one's culture needs to be taught. It is shocking how much this assists students in surpassing their peers who do not have culturally sensitive education.

I hope that the small amount of common ground we seem to have can broaden. I hope that you're listening to what everyone is saying; some of your ideas, and some of ours are not that far apart.
 

Re: Rochester's Anti-Racist Movement Visits WHAM

I disagree with lonsbery's comments about young mothers, however he does have some validity when it comes to rewarding people according to their color. Why cant we all just be treated equal. Please no more BET or black music awards, No more black miss america. If lonesbery is wrong for pointing out color then boycot all the seperetist black movement. Oh and why your at it why do blacks have to vote for obama because hes black. Cmon now dont say this is not true. lonesbery is right if you reward mideocer you'll get it!!!
 

Re: Re: Rochester's Anti-Racist Movement Visits WHAM

I'm glad to hear that you disagree with Lonsberry's views on young mothers, however, I see your statements about racism as misinformed. <br><br>

We are living in a society that give white people privilege in many areas. We living in a society that has a historical context of racism, and I don't just mean enslavement. Racism has, and does continue beyond slavery. It seems that many people choose to forget this, but if we are wishing to work towards equity and justice, we must always remember this. Historically, and continuing today, institutions, and the individuals behind those institutions have ghettoized people of color. How can a person say "no black music awards" or "no BET" and even moreso, how can a person say, "No voting for Obama because he's black"? First of all, most people of color I know are NOT just voting for Obama because he's black, it's because he's an intelligent human being who has continuously acted in an ethical manner, and who has laid down political platforms that seem achievable. Now, I'm not saying, and I haven't heard anyone say, he's perfect. But with a history of white people supporting white privilege, and not caring at all for their constituents who are people of color past voting day, could you really hold is against people of color to vote for Obama because he's black? The hope is he'll finally give a powerful voice against the white power that has been running our country since its independence and before. <br><br>I also would like to take a moment to discuss your statement that awarding mediocrity perpetuates mediocrity. This is not the case! First, a B average is not mediocre, it is an accomplishment for many people. Second, there is a lot of information out about racial and class imbalances between teachers and students, and how this negatively impacts learning for the students, particularly because of a lack of cultural understanding by the teacher. A book that was recently recommended by a respected educator in Rochester is "Black Students, Middle Class Teachers" by Dr. Jawanza Kunjufu. Maybe you'd like to gain a deeper understanding of why a B is not just an accomplishment for anyone, but particularly for Black students in Rochester, whose teachers are 85% white, and overwhelmingly middle class. I hope to be reading it soon myself. We're all learning!<br><br>

You mention that if Lonsberry is wrong for pointing out color, then boycott all separatist Black movements. I haven't heard anyone say Lonsberry is wrong for pointing out color, what we're saying is that what he's pointing out about people of color is wrong. You've just seen this article address race and racism in an excellent manner, you've seen me discuss race and racism, and I don't think these things have been wrong. People who say, "I don't see color!" are frequently just as racist as people like Lonsberry who is spewing it over the airwaves. Pointing out color isn't the problem, not understanding the power dynamics behind racism, not understanding the historical context of racism, and not understanding how one is perpetuating racism is the problem.
 

Re: Rochester's Anti-Racist Movement Visits WHAM

Hey, let's be FACISTS and try to silence someone's voice simply because we disagree with them!!! That'll be great!
...er, I mean... GET OVER IT!
 

Re: Rochester's Anti-Racist Movement Visits WHAM

What exactly did he say? I find that the left gets insulted very easily, but admires the likes of Jeromiah Wright.
 

Re: Re: Rochester's Anti-Racist Movement Visits WHAM

What he said is linked in the article where it says

"read his racist/clasist/sexist comments" in I believe the first paragraph, (possibly the second??)
 

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