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The Continuing Abuse of Zero Tolerance policy

Zero Tolerance initiative continues its abuses of people of color. Last night (Tuesday, April 29th) an ARM (Rochester's Anti-Racism Movement) member was arrested and charged with disorderly conduct after questioning officers who were racially profiling his 16-year-old brother and assuming him "suspicious of dealing drugs" when he got out of a car on his way into Extreme Graphics with his brother, saw a friend and gave him a cultural handshake familiar among black males.

Jordan Brown, a 21-year-old ARM member, came out of the store noticing that his brother Stephen Strachan was not right behind him but was being patted down by police outside who refused to answer why they were converging on his younger brother. Instead, he was told they shouldn't be in the drug infested bad neighborhood. When Jordan challenged the officer for making discriminating statements demonizing an entire community of people he was verbally abused and ordered to shut up and stay back. When he insisted on an explanation for profiling his 16-year-old brother he was called a smart ass, thrown against the car and taken downtown and charged with disorderly conduct. Ironically, these cops then decided to pat down every black male that was following Jordan in a second car, finding nothing. Sadly, there was no drug deal happening, no drugs or alcohol present on any of these young men that warranted the stop and the way they were treated and subsequently "put through the system."

ARM has been an opponent of refunding of Zero Tolerance because of repeated racial redlining and abuses of ordinary citizens of color in vulnerable neighborhoods. They recently, (a week ago) spoke out at a City Council meeting drawing attention to the abuses reported by over 100 citizens at a December 19th Speak Out on the initiative. These are sad times in Rochester when a quiet tolerance for racial abuse, redlining and mistreatment of people of color has become acceptable by the powers that be. It is not clear whether the resistance to deal with this issue is connected to fear of backlash or racial philosophies about what people of color should have to endure to obtain public safety. Nonetheless, ARM expects Mayor Duffy and Chief Moore to address this issue and stop asking tax paying people of color to pay for their own abuse.

Myra Brown, ARM
Source: www.minorityreporter.net/web_edition/May_3_2008/May_3_2008.pdf
 
 

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Re: The Continuing Abuse of Zero Tolerance policy

Sorry but i like zero tolerance. It's keeping bad guys off the street and making my neighborhood safer. You have to understand that you were in an area known for drug dealing and that your "handshake" is used by many drug dealers to pass drugs from one person to another. you may not like it, but its a fact.
 

Re: Re: The Continuing Abuse of Zero Tolerance policy

civil/human rights, WHA?! What's your evidence that those "bad guys" are dealing drugs? And is a little safety worth our civil rights? Let's think about this. I'm totally opposed to this zero tolerance bullshit.
 

Re: Re: Re: The Continuing Abuse of Zero Tolerance policy

All the officer did was question the kid and pat him down -- and it would have ended with that except for the fact that the loudmouth writer of this piece couldn't keep his mouth shut.

I'm sorry, but if im driving down the road and i see a guy give another guy a handshake like the one described in a drug infested neighborhood I'm going to pull up and talk to him (if i was a police officer) If the guy is acting nervous I may think he has something to hide so i may want to pat him down. If I have a loudmouth standing next to me questioning everything im doing and berating me I may think that I'm actually on the right track and that I interupted something going down so I may search everyone in the car.

It makes perfect sense to me. The only reason that guy got brought downtown was because he was interrupting a police investigation and was disorderly in public. If he would just shut up for the 30 seconds it takes for a pat down search then he and his friends would have had a much smoother night.
 

Re: The Continuing Abuse of Zero Tolerance policy

We've had this exact conversation before...on this very topic. I believe it was last fall.

You (Mr. Pro-racial profiling), are a troll of rochester indymedia; you're an ideologue; your assumptions drive EVERY argument you make. You have nothing to teach us; we have nothing to teach you. Go back to the D&C, the NYT, the GOP website--where you belong.

Please take an anthropology class, a sociology class, or a U.S. history class. I'm begging you.
 

Re: Re: The Continuing Abuse of Zero Tolerance policy

Why is it that everytime someone challenges the statements by others on this board he is immediately attacked as a "troll" or some other unwholesome thing?

If you disagree with what I'm saying then argue your point and tell me why I'm wrong and back it up with evidence. And if you can't find anything to pick apart -- then there is the great possibility that I am right.

I actually have a great deal of experience both as a person who has been profiled by police and as an individual working with law enforcement. I understand both sides of the coin and appreciate the varied points of view involved. The police are there to serve and protect and they have been instilled with this power and authority by the government and the community from which they serve. It is a concern of all people the rampant use of drugs -- and the violence that begets a drug-infested community. We the community have asked the police to take action, hire more officers and work overtime in order to instill our community with a sense of peace -- by ridding our neighborhoods of drug dealers, drug users and other criminals.

And the proof is in the pudding. Our communities our safer and violence is subsiding. All of this is a result of operation zero tolerance and the work of our police department.
 

Re: Re: Re: The Continuing Abuse of Zero Tolerance policy

At what cost, Andrew? It's putting an incredible burden on the legal system and public defenders, it's criminalizing people in their own neighborhoods where zero tolerance focuses, it's wasting millions of dollars that go to police and the prison-industrial-complex rather than rehabilitation or economic re-distribution, and it potentially violates the civil rights of individuals--not to mention making cops more aggressive and brutal.

I'd be curious if you felt the cops in NYC were justified in pumping an unarmed, man of color--Sean Bell--full of bullets?

I get the impression you'd be happy to live in an absolute police state, huh. Oh, wait...!
 

Re: The Continuing Abuse of Zero Tolerance policy

Well, I'm glad your'e not a cop, Anon #1. "Patting down" is SEARCH, legally, which the Constitution (per Supreme Court) says can ONLY happen where there is "reasonable suspicion" of a crime. Since when does a handshake--of any type--qualify as "reasonable suspicion"? Secondly, we do not know that the writer was "loudmouth"--check for your own streotyping there--and asking the cops what they are doing is ALWAYS legal and appropriate, as long as it doesnt acyually obstruct or interfere. (And "interfere" does NOT mean "annoy"). In this case, if he identified himself as the pattee's brother, it was not only legal and appropriate for him to ask, it was inappropriate and , frankly, stupid of teh cops to not answer--their (possibly--Im not jumping to a stereotype) arrogant behavior unnecessarily created a tense situation.
If people are really serious about reducing crime, specifically drug-related xrime, they MUST be in favor of a scrappingof the notorious Rockefeller drug laws--the senseless (except as a way to enforce racism) criminalization of socially harmless drugs such as marijuana and other draconian measures in this area have served primarily to give police a free hand in 'minority' neighborhoods. This intereferes with legitimate police activity aimed at "hard" drugs, gang or mob involvement in the trade, and related violence.
To the (exaggerated ) extent such militarization of drug policy has succeeded, it has done so at an unacceptable cost: increased hostility between nighbors and police, further erosion of civil liberties for individuals, and Orwellian "solutions" (like spycams!) that are worse than the problem.
Indeed the police are there "to serve and protect", but the question is: whom? Im not denying that cops serve a useful and necessary function sometimes, and that most cops honestly believe they they are there to serve and protect ordinary folks. In reallity, professional police (less than 200 years old, actually) were invented exactly to serve and protect the propertied class; any positive functions they perform are secondary to their mission. Im not saying that we shouldn't try to work with police and support them when they do something right; I'm saying let's never forget whose side they're on.
 

Re: Re: The Continuing Abuse of Zero Tolerance policy

I think you raise a lot of good points Ron. When I was in highschool (i lived way out in rural Avon) drug dealers would often palm drugs in their hand and hand them off to their customers. It's a common practice today as well and law enforcement has more leeway in areas of high drug activity. And I know a great deal of people think of a handshake as a pretty blaise thing, but ask yourself how many times do you actually see people shaking hands on the street corners that you drive by -- I've maybe seen a handshake that was just a handshake once while traveling through the city. Any other time it has been for the transfer of drugs. I see it all the time when i drive to work and pass Bay St. and Clifford Ave.

Now in regards to the brother asking what is going on from the officers perspective its a dangerous distraction. He's there with a car full of people any one of them could be armed and potentially kill him if he gets distracted.

Now I also don't know if scrapping the Rockafeller drug laws would do anything to help the issues related to drug use, abuse and the illegal activity that goes along with it -- but I do believe that once drug abusing criminals get into the system they should be put through the most rigorous rehabilitation program possible because studies have shown that if these people can lick their drug habit the criminality that they are a part of will go away as in many cases it was fueled by the drug abuse.

On a personal note my father-in-law was a lifetime abuser of drugs and alcohol on a minor to moderate level. He had never been arrested, but spent most of his life drifting from job to job, stealing from employers and being homeless. I think if he had been arrested and forced into a long term treatment experience he would be alive today and functioning like your average citizen.
 

Re: Re: Re: The Continuing Abuse of Zero Tolerance policy

"ask yourself how many times do you actually see people shaking hands on the street corners that you drive by"

1) I have seen many, many people shaking hands on street corners. If you really think that the only reason people shake hands is drug deals, then I don't know what to say.

2) The article we're reading is giving us an example of people just shaking hands. Do you think the author is making this up?

3) The handshake was really a side story here. The person went to jail because they asked questions and didn't do whatever the officer said -- plain and simple. It's not a question of if the cop thought the person was breaking a law or not, they felt like they weren't getting "respect" (meaning obedience) so they arrested the guy. If you want to defend the police, let's talk about the real issue.

You say the person was a loudmouth and berating the police officer, but you have really no evidence of that. Besides, if you have any experience with the way cops treat people in the inner city, then you know that people are arrested all the time for trying to assert their rights in a way that's not disrespectful at all, simply not what the cop likes.
 

world without cops!

we dont need police!!
society would be unquestionably better without the state supported armed thugs!
down with the police!!!!!!!!!
 

Surveillance Cameras

I think you'll all get a kick out this; in the D&C yesterday they had preview of the budget for next year. In it, the mayor asked for 1 million dollars to install an additional 40 police spy cameras to the 25 going up in June.

Here's the link: www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article
 

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