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Duuuuuude....settle. Your post was hidden for about three minutes, then put back up. I know I'm going to regret this, but you're acting like big baby in need of a spanking (a phrase I'd hardly imagine using in real life, but one I think fitting for your childish behavior).

To start, I'm fully aware that this will likely be hidden along with the rest of these posts. The editorial collective decided a long time ago that it was best not to engage you. I am breaking this policy for now, because I want to get a message to you directly, and (due to your insistence on posting anonymously) this is the only way I can do that. I am also breaking the policy so that those who frequent Rochester Indymedia can get some understanding of what's actually going on here, instead of the warped interpretation you're putting out. If you'd like to respond, please email me at redcardcarrier (at) gmail.com. Write it down now, before this post disappears. I look forward to hearing from you.

So I've wanted to reply for some time now, and happen to have time right now. A few things come to mind (not particularly in any order):

1. You do not know anyone involved with these projects--neither Rochester IMC, nor the community space. However, we (Rochester IMC) know exactly who you are, your name and history, the online freak-outs you're known for (remember your Libcom meltdown back in April? I'd hate to post the link here...you'd probably threaten to sue, like you did there--like a "real" anarchist. I'd be interested to hear how this fits in with your philosophy...). So anyway, if we are censoring any posts, I can promise you and the IMC community, our intention is to censor your posts and your posts alone. As far as I know, that's what we've said we would do, and that's what we've stuck to....with the exception of letting a few of them slide, and the regrettable results, which brings us to #2.

2. You continue to post your "concerns" or "critiques" or whatever you want to call them, and, as always, they're based on half-truths or outright false accusations. This could be for any number of reasons; my gut tells me it has to do with your lack of knowledge about what's actually going on here in Rochester. Yet you insist that we (Rochester IMC and the Rochester community at large) are guilty of all things ranging from unchecked privilege to nefarious corruption. Which would be fine, IF you had some factual information on which to base those accusations.

3. I do believe a large percentage of us have a good understanding of what Anarchism is, what it's looked like historically, its potential, as well as its pitfalls when such a tradition is put in the hands of ultra-privileged crust punk individualists. If you think you're such an expert on the topic, I challenge you and your imaginary alliance to hold a public event where you can teach all about the history and philosophy of anarchist organization and what it really means to be working class. I'm sure people would love to hear it and respond to it. I'm also sure you'd be surprised at what you would learn from your audience if you'd shut the fuck up and let people speak for themselves for once.

But that's irrelevant; you're not gonna hold a public event.

4. As far as "radical labor activity" and "doing it, being involved in it, or not", what the fuck are you doing to bring about a radical labor movement? Seriously. I want to know who you are organizing, because for someone who talks as much as you do, you don't seem to have much to stand on besides choppy rhetoric and excess mid-afternoon leisure time (shouldn't you be working?).

By the way, I hope I'm wrong. But until you actually do something (something productive: an open discussion/debate event perhaps, or a strike, or whatever fulfills your working class obsession) I will continue to assume you are all talk.

5. Again, the Rochester branch of the IWW is not a part of the community space. They've expressed absolutely no interest in moving into the space or operating out of it. If nothing more, this was an error of the person who wrote this article. But not really, since it clearly states: "some groups that may end up using the space are....IWW" You've somehow interpreted this as "the IWW was announced as being one of the groups that will be using your facility." Sorry, but no. It was not.

6. You are in no position to make any accusations about where the funding has come from for this community center. But it's fitting that you'd assume it's come from "sucking capitalist dick" and that "it's doubtful that most of you have any real experiential understanding of what work is". Some more examples of your basing entire arguments and rants on things that YOU ARE 100% MAKING UP. This (#6) is more for other readers, since you know damn well your arguments are all based part on your imagination, part on history you may have had with similar groups on the other side of the country, in the past. But moreso your imagination.

7. You do not speak on behalf of working people of Rochester, Anarchism itself, or the RIMC community. For example, by saying we "owe an apology to all of our readers," what you actually meant was "we owe an apology to you." If you were to omit the assumptions of ownership from your tone (that is, the tone that you own the ideas surrounding Indymedia, Anarchism, or the Working Class), people might give a shit about what you have to say. But nobody likes to be talked down upon--especially by someone too insecure to make public his real name.

8. What you probably don't understand about the IMC member you spoke to is, while you were busy preparing up your next big rebuttal on indymedia, she was likely working with other unpaid volunteers (some who even identify as anarchists!) to renovate a building a turn it into something worthwhile. Your accusation that IMC censoring your "totally valid ideas" (note: YOU are the only poster we are censoring) is "what makes this town a shithole" is one of the most arrogant statements I think you've ever made. The world does not revolve around you. Think about it.
 
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: mind reader?

Yummy.

'Duuuuuude….settle. Your post was hidden for about three minutes, then put back up. I know I'm going to regret this, but you're acting like big baby in need of a spanking (a phrase I'd hardly imagine using in real life, but one I think fitting for your childish behavior).'

And you're acting like someone who is really quite ready, if not begging, to get bitch-slapped. It's doubtful you have ever had to be held accountable for your words in real life though, so it is even less likely that you will volunteer for the duty.

Just like the rest the middle-class, suburban bred, college eduacted subsepcies of humantiy that calls itself 'anarchist' - fully disgracing that term - you are pompous, unjustifiably arrogant, ill-informed, and would probably do more for Revolution as a sloppy and painful suicide than as anything else.

'To start, I'm fully aware that this will likely be hidden along with the rest of these posts.'

Not likely. You are among the favored. Cowards will always give voice to other cowards, and silence those who stand up to cowardice.

'The editorial collective decided a long time ago that it was best not to engage you.'

The editorial collective has proven itself, beyond argument, qualification, or question, to be cowardly, hypocritical, and decietful. Their 'collective' opinion is meaningless. Beneath contempt.

'I am breaking this policy for now, because I want to get a message to you directly, and (due to your insistence on posting anonymously) this is the only way I can do that.'

Should I now congratulate you for your courage?

'I am also breaking the policy so that those who frequent Rochester Indymedia can get some understanding of what's actually going on here, instead of the warped interpretation you're putting out. If you'd like to respond, please email me at redcardcarrier (at) gmail.com. Write it down now, before this post disappears.'

Again - it won't - but my response will. I don't take orders - from you, or anyone.

'I look forward to hearing from you.'

If you must, hold your breath. For a very long time.

'So I've wanted to reply for some time now, and happen to have time right now. A few things come to mind (not particularly in any order):

1. You do not know anyone involved with these projects—neither Rochester IMC, nor the community space. However, we (Rochester IMC) know exactly who you are, your name and history, the online freak-outs you're known for (remember your Libcom meltdown back in April? I'd hate to post the link here…you'd probably threaten to sue, like you did there—like a "real" anarchist. I'd be interested to hear how this fits in with your philosophy…)'

I'd like the IMC readers to appreciate the pure, dripping, heinous, vile, slithering, evil of this expression:

'However, we (Rochester IMC) know exactly who you are, your name and history'

We know you. We've heard things. We have some 'intel'. We've been looking into your past.

I dunno, how does a lwasuit fit into your philosophy? Will you sue me when I bitch-slap you?

I'd be interested to know what you would think if a pack of lying, disease-spreading, conspiratorial, cartoonishly evil parasites and embezzlers tried to justify their mendacity by slandering you in public in the most vicious manner imaginable, and using evidence of your own deep personal suffering - which they themselves have inflicted - to make themselves appear 'innocent' in order to enhance their political reputations in an pseudo-revolutionary organization that lost its credibility with the working class 70 years ago. How would you deal with that, chum? Moot question..it would never happen. You'd have to be capable of human feelings first.

You don't know me - you will never know me - but I know exactly who is feeding you the lies you are sucking up, and spreading, so readily, and what you base your totally mistaken assumptions upon. She likely crawled out of the same sewer you did.

And it is her, and her fellow conspirators who have been trying to get whole international sections of the IWW's votes discounted in order to install their puppet as treasurer - a witless douchebag who sells used t-shirts on ebay - because they are so thoroughly untrusted that no-one in their right minds would ever elect them and put their dues money in their wallets.

One of them is actually subject to recall from the General Executive Board at this moment, the others are landlords and bosses, and installed themselves as such by embezzling IWW dues money. Shall I name names?

Play with me, fucker, see what happens.

'So anyway, if we are censoring any posts, I can promise you and the IMC community, our intention is to censor your posts and your posts alone.'

Am I blushing?

'As far as I know, that's what we've said we would do, and that's what we've stuck to….with the exception of letting a few of them slide, and the regrettable results, which brings us to #2.'

I love this 'we'. Keep it up. "We, the judges.".

'2. You continue to post your "concerns" or "critiques" or whatever you want to call them, and, as always, they're based on half-truths or outright false accusations. This could be for any number of reasons; my gut tells me it has to do with your lack of knowledge about what's actually going on here in Rochester. Yet you insist that we (Rochester IMC and the Rochester community at large) are guilty of all things ranging from unchecked privilege to nefarious corruption. Which would be fine, IF you had some factual information on which to base those accusations.'

You are proving the very depth of that corruption and privilege right now. Privilege: private law. One law applies to you here, another to me.

My knowledge extends from years of regrettable experience watching parasites latch theselves onto the anarchist movement in order to justify their own irredeemable moral bankruptcy while painting themselves as 'revolutionaries.'

I see the signs : 'consensus groups' (decision making by peer pressure, just like in the suburban high schools that puked you all up into the world…) 'Security culture' (how we keep kids out of our ideological treehouse that we don't like, poor kids, and kids who are smarter than us…mmm just like back in that suburban high school…)

I see all the hallmarks of what I saw on the West Coast. It is what experienced revolutionaries call 'the anarchist ghetto'. It is a plague and an atrocity. And it has invaded this city, and it should be stopped.

'3. I do believe a large percentage of us have a good understanding of what Anarchism is, what it's looked like historically, its potential, as well as its pitfalls when such a tradition is put in the hands of ultra-privileged crust punk individualists. If you think you're such an expert on the topic, I challenge you and your imaginary alliance to hold a public event where you can teach all about the history and philosophy of anarchist organization and what it really means to be working class. I'm sure people would love to hear it and respond to it. I'm also sure you'd be surprised at what you would learn from your audience if you'd shut the fuck up and let people speak for themselves for once.'

Your audience is an irrelevancy. Your audience you - and people like you - are the enemy, frankly.

And what you think is 'imaginary' is frankly…none of the enemy's business.

Your audience is nothing more or less than built-in counter-revolution; it is, in fact, indisputably, the co-optation of the radical labor moevement by the sons and daughters of the bourgeoisie.

It is a lie, a delusion, a diversion. It is people who have no respect for and no functional empathy for the working class attempting to represent and install themselves as some sort of vanguard in the liberation of that working class.

Your audience, your 'collective', in any genuine revolution, would find themselves, at best, roundly ignored and laughed at as they attempted to usurp power, or at worst, dragged into the street and executed.

I think I may have gotten 'best' and 'worst' reversed there actually.

I know this because the one who is feeding you the lies upon which you base your perceptions of me called my own family 'white trash'. Classist and racist. I know because the same person came home every day from the tiny shop she 'organized' -establishing her massive labor credentials - complaining about the 'stupid ignorant bitches' she had to work with.

I've seen the face of sheer and utter evil posing as Anarchism, I recognize it. I have no reason to believe that this purtid little outpost will be any different.

'But that's irrelevant; you're not gonna hold a public event.'

If and when I do, yours will not be the audience. Because, as I said, your audience is not the working class. It is a pointless subculture. It has no more relevance than the bitch-faced soccer mom whose cunt you crawled out of.

'4. As far as "radical labor activity" and "doing it, being involved in it, or not", what the fuck are you doing to bring about a radical labor movement? Seriously. I want to know who you are organizing, because for someone who talks as much as you do, you don't seem to have much to stand on besides choppy rhetoric and excess mid-afternoon leisure time (shouldn't you be working?).
By the way, I hope I'm wrong. But until you actually do something (something productive: an open discussion/debate event perhaps, or a strike, or whatever fulfills your working class obsession) I will continue to assume you are all talk.'

Again, not to seem disingenuous, but it really is none of your business: you people destroy everything you touch, you co-opt and corrupt everything that is decent, you are not the audience, your opinion is beyond irrelevant, it is poison. And for the record, 'organizing other people' is not revolutionary activity : it's manipulation. Extracting dues money to boost your pseudo-revolutionary credentials.

In this context I will say as much; I have presented ideas, very well articulated ideas, I have made many genuine efforts to establish a forum for dsicussion and learning. I have seen those ideas ignored and censored, and then magically re-appear in the real world…sapped of all their revolutionary content, neutered, spayed.

And no, this is far from the only place the ideas and programs have been presented. Nor is my activity limited to writing. But again, I feel absolutely no need to justify or expalin my ideas or my activities to you or anyone like you, nor do I wish to jeapordize their integrity by doing so.

'5. Again, the Rochester branch of the IWW is not a part of the community space. They've expressed absolutely no interest in moving into the space or operating out of it. If nothing more, this was an error of the person who wrote this article. But not really, since it clearly states: "some groups that may end up using the space are….IWW" You've somehow interpreted this as "the IWW was announced as being one of the groups that will be using your facility." Sorry, but no. It was not.'

Then I stand corrected. But it's your fault, not mine.

'6. You are in no position to make any accusations about where the funding has come from for this community center. But it's fitting that you'd assume it's come from "sucking capitalist dick" and that "it's doubtful that most of you have any real experiential understanding of what work is". Some more examples of your basing entire arguments and rants on things that YOU ARE 100% MAKING UP. This (#6) is more for other readers, since you know damn well your arguments are all based part on your imagination, part on history you may have had with similar groups on the other side of the country, in the past. But moreso your imagination.

7. You do not speak on behalf of working people of Rochester,'

Nor do I pretend to : strawmanning.

'Anarchism itself, or the RIMC community.'

God forbid.

'For example, by saying we "owe an apology to all of our readers," what you actually meant was "we owe an apology to you."'

No, liar. I mean, literally, you do owe an apology to your readers. For decieving them.

For me to need an apology from the likes of you would assume that..I actually give a flying fuck what you think. I don't. Shoot me if I ever find myself caring.

'If you were to omit the assumptions of ownership from your tone (that is, the tone that you own the ideas surrounding Indymedia, Anarchism, or the Working Class), people might give a shit about what you have to say. But nobody likes to be talked down upon—especially by someone too insecure to make public his real name. '

Uh you are actually making an assumption about..someone else's assumptions, you are developing a myth about something that you have no real knowledge of. Which is pathetic.

Anonymity is my right, as it is anyone's here. I shall not now explain the various reasons for its necessity. But insecurity isn't among them in my case…believe me.

'8. What you probably don't understand about the IMC member you spoke to is, while you were busy preparing up your next big rebuttal on indymedia, she was likely working with other unpaid volunteers (some who even identify as anarchists!) to renovate a building a turn it into something worthwhile. Your accusation that IMC censoring your "totally valid ideas" (note: YOU are the only poster we are censoring) is "what makes this town a shithole" is one of the most arrogant statements I think you've ever made. The world does not revolve around you. Think about it.

No shit Sherlock. I have always granted respect where respect is due, and always will. Here I have been given no reason to show anything but contempt. I've done countless hours, years of voluteer work in and outside organizations…I won't cry for you like you are some heroic martyr.

Yawn.

Dude this is no real hardship for me. It is not the center of my life. I can keep going if you wish…
 

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I could also keep going, but I think it's pretty clear that arguing with you is a waste of time. You will continue to base everything you say, all of your personal attacks on people you do not know a thing about. You've made yourself look like an obsessive fool.

I'm anticipating some more hollow personal attacks, followed by bullying. Sweet. Have fun beating your chest. I'm done responding to your bullshit. Enjoy the last words.
 

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uh how about go fuck youself, you useless, gutless tool?

seriosuly, go suck ass to the liars and thieves that you serve, you fucking pompous imbecile.

go suck up more lies and spread them. go report to your handlers, douchebag.

kisses
 
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TIM
thank you oh so much on behalf of us not so privilaged old thinkers and peace punks from an age forgotten. Folks like whoever that was are toxic

To Toxic=
wisdom for us all-"take a chance-spare some change-whos the real enemy?"
 

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