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Re: The Continuing Abuse of Zero Tolerance policy

Well, I'm glad your'e not a cop, Anon #1. "Patting down" is SEARCH, legally, which the Constitution (per Supreme Court) says can ONLY happen where there is "reasonable suspicion" of a crime. Since when does a handshake--of any type--qualify as "reasonable suspicion"? Secondly, we do not know that the writer was "loudmouth"--check for your own streotyping there--and asking the cops what they are doing is ALWAYS legal and appropriate, as long as it doesnt acyually obstruct or interfere. (And "interfere" does NOT mean "annoy"). In this case, if he identified himself as the pattee's brother, it was not only legal and appropriate for him to ask, it was inappropriate and , frankly, stupid of teh cops to not answer--their (possibly--Im not jumping to a stereotype) arrogant behavior unnecessarily created a tense situation.
If people are really serious about reducing crime, specifically drug-related xrime, they MUST be in favor of a scrappingof the notorious Rockefeller drug laws--the senseless (except as a way to enforce racism) criminalization of socially harmless drugs such as marijuana and other draconian measures in this area have served primarily to give police a free hand in 'minority' neighborhoods. This intereferes with legitimate police activity aimed at "hard" drugs, gang or mob involvement in the trade, and related violence.
To the (exaggerated ) extent such militarization of drug policy has succeeded, it has done so at an unacceptable cost: increased hostility between nighbors and police, further erosion of civil liberties for individuals, and Orwellian "solutions" (like spycams!) that are worse than the problem.
Indeed the police are there "to serve and protect", but the question is: whom? Im not denying that cops serve a useful and necessary function sometimes, and that most cops honestly believe they they are there to serve and protect ordinary folks. In reallity, professional police (less than 200 years old, actually) were invented exactly to serve and protect the propertied class; any positive functions they perform are secondary to their mission. Im not saying that we shouldn't try to work with police and support them when they do something right; I'm saying let's never forget whose side they're on.
 

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Re: Re: The Continuing Abuse of Zero Tolerance policy

I think you raise a lot of good points Ron. When I was in highschool (i lived way out in rural Avon) drug dealers would often palm drugs in their hand and hand them off to their customers. It's a common practice today as well and law enforcement has more leeway in areas of high drug activity. And I know a great deal of people think of a handshake as a pretty blaise thing, but ask yourself how many times do you actually see people shaking hands on the street corners that you drive by -- I've maybe seen a handshake that was just a handshake once while traveling through the city. Any other time it has been for the transfer of drugs. I see it all the time when i drive to work and pass Bay St. and Clifford Ave.

Now in regards to the brother asking what is going on from the officers perspective its a dangerous distraction. He's there with a car full of people any one of them could be armed and potentially kill him if he gets distracted.

Now I also don't know if scrapping the Rockafeller drug laws would do anything to help the issues related to drug use, abuse and the illegal activity that goes along with it -- but I do believe that once drug abusing criminals get into the system they should be put through the most rigorous rehabilitation program possible because studies have shown that if these people can lick their drug habit the criminality that they are a part of will go away as in many cases it was fueled by the drug abuse.

On a personal note my father-in-law was a lifetime abuser of drugs and alcohol on a minor to moderate level. He had never been arrested, but spent most of his life drifting from job to job, stealing from employers and being homeless. I think if he had been arrested and forced into a long term treatment experience he would be alive today and functioning like your average citizen.
 

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"ask yourself how many times do you actually see people shaking hands on the street corners that you drive by"

1) I have seen many, many people shaking hands on street corners. If you really think that the only reason people shake hands is drug deals, then I don't know what to say.

2) The article we're reading is giving us an example of people just shaking hands. Do you think the author is making this up?

3) The handshake was really a side story here. The person went to jail because they asked questions and didn't do whatever the officer said -- plain and simple. It's not a question of if the cop thought the person was breaking a law or not, they felt like they weren't getting "respect" (meaning obedience) so they arrested the guy. If you want to defend the police, let's talk about the real issue.

You say the person was a loudmouth and berating the police officer, but you have really no evidence of that. Besides, if you have any experience with the way cops treat people in the inner city, then you know that people are arrested all the time for trying to assert their rights in a way that's not disrespectful at all, simply not what the cop likes.
 

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