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Re: My Short Time in Jail
07 Apr 2008
Date Edited: 07 Apr 2008 09:29:31 AM
And its strange that some people find my opinion so divisive that they would like me to leave while at the same time participating in a site that invites free speech!
What's wrong? Don't you like a place where you can have a fair and reasoned argument where we can discuss ideas in an open way?
The suggestions that I made in the first reply are real and valid ways to attack the issues at the heart of the war in a much more effective way than standing on the side of the road with a sign -- or getting arrested for carrying that sign into the roadway.
Right now people are attempting to stop the olympic torch from staying lit and reaching China. These people are getting media coverage and continually bringing up the issues of human rights abuses in china. Sponsors have already pulled out of the olympic games -- if all goes well one of two things will happen:
1. With the glare of the media at its borders China changes its ways and adopts a free and open democracy (unlikely).
2. The rest of the world will come to realize the danger of dealing with china under its current government and fight for change (more likely). The sooner companies like google and youtube and everyone else allow chinese people open and complete access to the web the more information the chinese people will get and that knowledge will be able to start a revolution of ideas that will change the face of china and the world forever!
Secondly if you wish to prevent future ways in Afghanistan or Iraq the people need to be educated. The sooner they are the better off they will be. Start a book drive, start a school supply drive. There are many places all over the world that have benefited from free and open education.
I stand by this. You may think that standing by the side of the road off and on for five years somehow effected change -- well it didn't. You may have thought getting arrested effected changed -- it didn't. People in Rochester and all over the world have been driving past your protests for 5 years and frankly we don't care about you or your signs or your protests because they lack meaning and substance. Your only slightly less annoying than the guys who stand outside of cell phone stores at the mall asking me what sort of plan I'm on.
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Re: Re: My Short Time in Jail
08 Apr 2008
I'm curious how well you know the person who wrote the account? How do you know what he is and isn't engaged in? Your responses indicate that perhaps you know very little.
Have you considered the potential of mass direct action? One memorable action was the demonstrators who shut down the port in Olympia, WA--putting themselves in harms way to literally stop the transport of military weapons.
That's one small example. Check out Indymedia.us for a more national perspective. Or read some radical history for a much greater perspective of what's possible when people act together in solidarity.
Sure, he was one person who was made an example of by the police--but if more people took action then who knows what might be accomplished. Of course there are those that enjoy complaining behind their computer screens about other people taking action that they feel is ineffective, illegitimate, or annoying--when it appears that they aren't engaged in anything but prattling on the web. Diversity of tactics and solidarity are important. You'll notice I'm not condemning your suggestions--but more is needed beyond reforms, band-aids, and declarations.
What was your name?
Ted-
Re: Re: My Short Time in Jail
10 Apr 2008
The problems in Iraq and Afghanastan are mostly the result of us bombing the crap out of them and then occupying them with soldiers.
If anything America is the country that needs better education. We were the ones who caused this problem. This, is of course, unless the education you are speaking of involves primarily war tactics, self defense , and weapons technology. That is the only type of education that Iraq and Afghanastan could have used to stop their current situation. But even so, its a little late for that and not sure many people would support giving these countries that type of education.
But in all seriousness, I think the Iraqi people would prefer not being killed to receiving a few extra books.
And if you read the story you're commenting on, he didn't try to get arrested. The police arrested him because he stepped into the street (not to block traffic, he just stepped off the curb). I step into the street all the time and it's not because I want to get arrested. It was a bullshit charge and your blame the victim mentality makes it harder to take you seriously.